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you write that as if it was a big number.

that's 0.1% of the population even if it's all covid-attributable (which is debatable), it isn't a big number.

a big number is the total population decreasing a lot, among working age people.

if old or ultra frail people risk more that shouldn't in the slightest modify anything in the life of everyone else to begin with.

the reaction to COVID would have been vaguely justifiable if millions of under65 had died.

and even then, why stop living given people die anyway even when ratting at home? just live fully normally anyway, with a higher chance of death. but I could understand the reaction if say 3 million under 65, many (hundreds of thousands) in absolutely normal health, had died in 2020-21.

but lol the actual **** if there isn't a hugely visible drop in population graphs, it's insane to consider it something huge. elders dying a bit earlier is close to be absolutely insignificant, and in many cases it's a blessing (like all demented/Alzheimer people died sooner, including my grandfather).

if this was the reaction to a close to insignificant disease what do we do if something that kills 5% of the population comes? and mind, it happened worse than that like 50 times in Europe in a couple of centuries and we still came out of that dominating the world.

what do you do if an ACTUAL pandemic, something where everyone has someone he knows, a normal person who has decades of life expectancy, die suddenly?

It's only a big number when when you find yourself or your family included in it. Like Harry Truman said, a recession is when your neighbor loses his job; a depression is when you lose yours.

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04-10-2024 , 05:48 AM

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TIL 350,000 people dying doesn't matter to some people

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They literally think they were just fat and so who cares. (Or old and should've been locked up with their care-takers)

Told you.

Just disgusting.

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04-10-2024 , 05:53 AM

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It's only a big number when when you find yourself or your family included in it. Like Harry Truman said, a recession is when your neighbor loses his job; a depression is when you lose yours.

it's a big number when everyone is included.

when every, or most people know a normal age and health person who died of it.

know in the Dunbar number sense.

and that's the threshold to start being scared but it can be a lot worse than that, like it was many many times in Europe with plagues.

2020 wasn't even the year with the highest lethality (gross, age adjusted, all causes) in the last 40 years ffs

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04-15-2024 , 07:37 PM

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The Bad Taste of Paxlovid

cliffs:
-pfizer funded (or even ran) several studies on paxlovid, few were published
-there are ~20 paxlovid studies, one is bound to find significance at 5%
-govt funded $19b for paxlovid based on the result of a single pfizer-run study finding it reduced mortality 1%
-cochrane group review finds it's "uncertain whether paxlovid leads to fewer deaths and increases virus elimination"
-paxlovid sells for $1400/course and is worth six times its weight in gold
-it's tamiflu all over again

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04-15-2024 , 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

TIL 350,000 people dying doesn't matter to some people

Told you.

Just disgusting.

have you been to a nursing home lately? do you know what they average "stay" at a nursing home is? The "nursing" part is a tad misleading. There ain't no "nurses."

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04-16-2024 , 05:05 AM

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Interesting peer reviewed study here.

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Increased Age-Adjusted Cancer Mortality After the Third mRNA-Lipid Nanoparticle Vaccine Dose During the COVID-19 Pandemic in Japan

Statistically significant increases in age-adjusted mortality rates of all cancer and some specific types of cancer, namely, ovarian cancer, leukemia, prostate, lip/oral/pharyngeal, pancreatic, and breast cancers, were observed in 2022 after two-thirds of the Japanese population had received the third or later dose of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-LNP vaccine. These particularly marked increases in mortality rates of these ERα-sensitive cancers may be attributable to several mechanisms of the mRNA-LNP vaccination rather than COVID-19 infection itself or reduced cancer care due to the lockdown. The significance of this possibility warrants further studies. This article was previously posted to the Zenodo repository server on September 18, 2023.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/1962...ic-in-japan#!/

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04-16-2024 , 08:15 AM

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Lol 8th of April 2024, all normal people thought that in 2021 AT MOST

Lol this is hilarious. Amazing.

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04-16-2024 , 01:04 PM

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Fwiw I’d imagine the vast majority of Guardian readers also think she is ridiculous for that.

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04-16-2024 , 03:46 PM

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Karen's gonna Karen.

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04-16-2024 , 04:14 PM

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Fun little factoid here from the archives. Congress people were exempt from vaccine mandates as well.

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04-16-2024 , 05:30 PM

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Schlitz mmmm

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noise

And you get no cancer cure

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04-16-2024 , 05:53 PM

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In August 2023 the American Board of Internal Medicine informed Kory his certification was to be revoked for spreading medical misinformation.

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04-16-2024 , 05:57 PM

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Fun little factoid here from the archives. Congress people were exempt from vaccine mandates as well.

What vaccine mandate were they exempt from?

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04-16-2024 , 06:43 PM

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In August 2023 the American Board of Internal Medicine informed Kory his certification was to be revoked for spreading medical misinformation.

Revoked for telling the truth and jeopardising big pharma's profits, more like it.

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04-16-2024 , 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

What vaccine mandate were they exempt from?

The one that most other Govt employees were subjected to.

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04-16-2024 , 06:46 PM

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Revoked for telling the truth and jeopardising big pharma's profits, more like it.

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04-16-2024 , 06:51 PM

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The one that most other Govt employees were subjected to.

Do you mean members of the executive branch? Do you think Congress is part of the executive branch?

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04-16-2024 , 07:57 PM

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Do you mean members of the executive branch? Do you think Congress is part of the executive branch?

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04-16-2024 , 08:32 PM

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Yeah, I'd definitely run away after that embarrassing mistake. As usual.

lol you thought an executive branch mandate applied to members of the legislative branch (which can't be controlled by the executive branch) and that they were somehow granted an exemption.

Basic civics. Another on the long list of things you have zero clue about.

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04-16-2024 , 11:24 PM

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Revoked for telling the truth and jeopardizing big pharma's profits, more like it.

If that was a priority , wouldn’t the government made it mandatory for all ?
But I guess since it’s trump that was president at the time and push hard to make a vaccine as quick as possible , seem the big pharma lobbyists had trump in their pocket ?

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04-17-2024 , 12:04 AM

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I didn't run away. I was laughing at the stupidity of your moronic question. And no I didn't mean members of the executive branch. As usual you totally missunderstand the point.

I was talking about all Federal employees being mandated while members of congress were not.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...ategy-n1278735

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04-17-2024 , 12:13 AM

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Never happened

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04-17-2024 , 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm

Never happened

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04-17-2024 , 12:29 AM

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hype!

OK. You have reclaimed your avatard. Fair play

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04-17-2024 , 05:29 AM

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Yikes. We know which mandate you were talking about.

Biden controls the executive branch. He literally cannot mandate anything to Congress. It's called separation of powers.

I love that you think the president has the power to mandate literally anything for Congress. Trump should have just ordered Congress not to impeach him! It was so simple. Why didn't he think of that!!?

You realize you are getting schooled about the very basics of civics by a Canadian here, right?

My confused American pal, you know you can just Google things, right?

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...te/9225331002/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2QX1YI/

Sad.

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