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03-16-2024 , 06:20 PM
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03-16-2024 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
Yeah like I said, straight up trolling. Thanks for confirming.
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03-16-2024 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
Yeah like I said, straight up trolling. Thanks for confirming.
Oh did you think you said something with responding to?


lolololol
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03-17-2024 , 04:06 AM
burn this thread to the ground
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03-17-2024 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
Oh did you think you said something with responding to?


lolololol
No. I just made a factual statement that you were trolling. That's all. I didn't want or expect any response.
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03-17-2024 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
No. I just made a factual statement that you were trolling. That's all. I didn't want or expect any response.
Sharing a blog post for others to read is not trolling. Laughing at you isn't either, but I understand why you might think so.
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03-17-2024 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
This was a fascinating read, and it's sure to tick off the conspiracy theory crowd, so I'm going to post it here and let anyone that wants to attack or defend it. I won't be participating in that.

I just kind of want to watch what happens
Posting something purely to get a reaction or to tick people off (in your own words), is the definition of trolling.

You might think it's funny but it is against forum rules.
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03-17-2024 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
This is complete nonsense as everyone including the most radical rightwing people knew the disease mostly killed very old people and almost no one else comparatively, and very old people are overwhelming more white than the rest of the population, in the USA.

So if anything an actual white supremacist would have over played his hand at COVID control given COVID killed mostly whites
Ignoring the policy claims in the article, which is basically an exercise in begging the question, it's unarguably true that the death rate of white Americans from Covid was lower than any other ethnicity except Asian in America for the first 6-9 months of the pandemic and the death rate among black Americans was highest, particularly in the first 3 months when it was 2-3x higher than any other ethnicity.

Taking cumulative numbers since the start of the pandemic the highest death rate is among indigenous peoples and white/black and essentially the same now, with the death rate for white people having gradually caught up to the level of black people over the last 18 months.

With this being the case then far from countering the point, the age/racial demographics you mention actually provide additional evidence that Covid was disproportionally impacting black Americans early in the pandemic if so many more were dying despite generally being a younger population.
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03-17-2024 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
Posting something purely to get a reaction or to tick people off (in your own words), is the definition of trolling.

You might think it's funny but it is against forum rules.
I didn't say that was the only reason I was posting it. You added that part. I said is a nice little bonus.

And boy was I right.

For reference I even listed those two reasons right in my post, but you still somehow think I said it was the only reason.

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
This was a fascinating read, and it's sure to tick off the conspiracy theory crowd, so I'm going to post it here
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03-17-2024 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
I didn't say that was the only reason I was posting it. You added that part. I said is a nice little bonus.

And boy was I right.

For reference I even listed those two reasons right in my post, but you still somehow think I said it was the only reason.
The article was stupid as I said and not even worth commenting on. My reaction was to you using it to troll which you admitted in your own words, which you just repeated. Lol
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03-17-2024 , 10:29 AM
Willd, a good and factual reply to Luc's post. Thx
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03-17-2024 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
The article was stupid as I said and not even worth commenting on. My reaction was to you using it to troll which you admitted in your own words, which you just repeated. Lol
I didn't use it to troll. I never said that word. I posted it because it was fascinating, and because it would make conspiracy theorists mad. As I said. You can call partially posting it to make conspiracy theorists mad trolling if you want, but like my post clearly says, the main reason I posted it was because I thought it was fascinating. The making mad part was a parenthetical addition for comedic effect. But I am actually entertained by it. So please, continue.
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03-17-2024 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Trump voters (and repub in general) tend to be older. People who die of COVID tend to be older.

Dems get overwhelming support from young people. Covid has almost zero shot at killing young people.
Forgot to swing back and pick this one up.

Data corrected for age (and other factors) still confirms much higher excess death rate for republicans over democrats after vaccine became available.

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Overall, the excess death rate for Republican voters was 2.8 percentage points, or 15%, higher than the excess death rate for Democratic voters (95% prediction interval [PI], 1.6-3.7 percentage points). After May 1, 2021, when vaccines were available to all adults, the excess death rate gap between Republican and Democratic voters widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) to 7.7 percentage points (95% PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis; the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters. The gap in excess death rates between Republican and Democratic voters was larger in counties with lower vaccination rates and was primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.
Source: Wallace J, Goldsmith-Pinkham P, Schwartz JL. Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic. JAMA Intern Med. 2023;183(9):916–923. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2023.1154

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2807617
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03-23-2024 , 02:25 PM
Some great news for immuno-compromised individuals. A monoclonal antibody infusion has been given EUA for use as an infection prophylactic.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti...covid19/109336

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The FDA issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for pemivibart (Pemgarda)opens in a new tab or window as COVID-19 pre-exposure prophylaxis in immunocompromised individuals who are unlikely to mount a sufficient immune response following vaccination, the agency announced on Friday.
This is life changing news for many people.

Last edited by Gorgonian; 03-23-2024 at 02:36 PM.
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03-25-2024 , 04:15 PM
FDA ordered to stop lying about Ivermectin.



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03-25-2024 , 04:47 PM
Ivermectin should be a medication that cure Covid despite being a medication to fight
Parasites.
Strange concept to me shrug.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...-tablet#dosage

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Why it’s used

Ivermectin oral tablet is used to treat infections of parasites. These include parasitic infections of your intestinal tract, skin, and eyes.

How it works

Ivermectin belongs to a class of drugs called anti-parasitic drugs. A class of drugs is a group of medications that work in a similar way. These drugs are often used to treat similar conditions.

Ivermectin oral tablet works by binding to parts inside the parasite. It eventually paralyzes and kills off the parasite, or it stops adult parasites from making larvae for a while. This treats your infection.
Btw people are a fraud of vaccination and get for ivermectin that tells you this can actually occur !

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Ivermectin warnings

This drug comes with several warnings.

Allergy warning

Ivermectin can cause a severe allergic reaction. Symptoms can include:

trouble breathing
swelling of your throat or tongue
skin rash
If you develop these symptoms, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.

Don’t take this drug again if you’ve ever had an allergic reaction to it. Taking it again could be fatal (cause death).

Warnings for people with certain health conditions

For people with asthma: This drug may make your asthma worse. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with liver problems: If you have liver problems or a history of liver issues, this drug may cause more harm to your liver. Also, you may not be able to process this drug well. This may increase the levels of the drug in your body and cause more side effects. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with seizures: This drug may cause seizures. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with HIV: If you have HIV or a condition where your immune system doesn’t work as well as it should, one dose of this drug may not be enough to treat your parasitic infection. You may need several treatments with this drug.

Warnings for other groups

For pregnant people: Talk with your doctor if you’re pregnant or planning to become pregnant. This drug should only be used if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk.

Research in animals has shown adverse effects to the fetus when the mother takes the drug. There haven’t been enough studies in humans to be certain how the drug might affect the fetus.

If you become pregnant while taking this drug, call your doctor right away.

For people who are breastfeeding: Ivermectin passes into breast milk and may cause side effects in a breastfed child. Talk with your doctor if you breastfeed your child. You may need to decide whether to stop breastfeeding or stop taking this medication.

For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.

For children: It hasn’t been established if this drug is safe and effective in children who weigh less than 33 pounds (15 kilograms)
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03-25-2024 , 10:30 PM
Lol

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03-26-2024 , 06:43 AM
Snopes will help you out on that one.

Spoiler:
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03-26-2024 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Ivermectin should be a medication that cure Covid despite being a medication to fight
Parasites.
Strange concept to me shrug.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...-tablet#dosage



Btw people are a fraud of vaccination and get for ivermectin that tells you this can actually occur !
just so i'm clear you're concerned about people with HIV and people breastfeeding taking Ivermectin but you have zero concerns about myocarditis and pericarditis from the covid vaccine because??????

honest question.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html
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03-26-2024 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
Snopes will help you out on that one.

Spoiler:
FALSE because it was a "survey" not a "study"

fact checkers ftw
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03-26-2024 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by smartDFS
FALSE because it was a "survey" not a "study"

fact checkers ftw
That is not what it said. It says it was exempt from FOIA because it was inter-department communications and communications with other agencies.

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This detail confirms that the 148 redacted pages did not comprise a study, but were instead communications within the CDC or between the CDC and other agencies.
It wasn't anything at all to do with a study . So yes, the claim that they reacted an entire study is false.

Not sure where you came up with it was a survey. (Edit: oh I see you read far enough to find something you thought supported your idea and stopped reading. You should have read the whole thing. Your confirmation bias is showing - the redacted pages were not the survey)

You can read it yourself here:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cd...arditis-study/

When you do, you will find links to extensive evidence demonstrating exactly the opposite of what the made up claim is trying to insinuate. In fact, the CDC has released nearly a dozen studies detailing the relationship between COVID vaccinations and myocarditis. They aren't trying to hide anything.

Last edited by Gorgonian; 03-26-2024 at 10:07 PM.
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03-26-2024 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by natediggity
just so i'm clear you're concerned about people with HIV and people breastfeeding taking Ivermectin but you have zero concerns about myocarditis and pericarditis from the covid vaccine because??????

honest question.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html
No Im saying ivermectin, by their own words, have many more risk to a lot of different peoples .

Risk of ivermectin exist too for a much larger portion of the population for lot of different side effects some mild, other serious !
So why isn’t that a concern ???

Anyway , That’s what it is when you take any kind of medication regardless being vaccine , ivermectin or aspirins .
Risks always exist even if they are extremely minimal like we speak here about myocarditis from vaccine .
I see no one saying we should ban aspirin ?

But not im not concern with myocarditis vs the amount of billions of people that didn’t had any and those rare that happened was easily taken care at the hospital .
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-artic...d-19-vaccines/

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Myocarditis is a rare side effect of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, which have been used with great success as protection against the SARS CoV-2 virus and its variants. Generally, the condition is highly treatable, but it has caused concern in some quarters about the vaccines’ safety. We spoke with Carrie Lucas, PhD, associate professor of immunobiology at Yale School of Medicine, and Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, Sterling Professor of Immunobiology, about their recent study which uncovers clues to why this complication can occur.
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And in that highest risk group, the myocarditis risk after the second dose, which is the highest, is 35.9 per 100,000 people. In comparison, the risk post-infection in that same group is 64.9 per 100,000.
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but it’s important to remember that with infection, you not only get myocarditis, but you also get all these other symptoms and damage to your lungs and other organs. You could also develop long COVID. There are many other sequelae (residual effects) after infection than after vaccination, which causes a more transient type of myocarditis.
Lucas: Studies have also shown that the severity of disease and length of recovery are greater in myocarditis post-COVID, in contrast to this transient experience of inflammation after vaccination.
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Iwasaki: First of all, myocarditis after vaccination for the most part appears to be transient, and these patients recover. Secondly, there are ways to reduce the risk for myocarditis, like spacing apart the first and second dose. And now that we have seen enough of these cases, doctors are learning how to treat these events when they do occur.
What it says is myocarditis risk is higher when you aren’t vaccinated …..
And when I hear kids shouldn’t be vaccinated because they have less then 1% of dying , well having problems of myocarditis from vaccine was even lower ….


It’s a non issue for me when speak risk of like 1 in the tens of thousands!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...(Figure%201%20).
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03-27-2024 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
No Im saying ivermectin, by their own words, have many more risk to a lot of different peoples .
your post (besides the quotes you insert) is very hard to read. that said, do these side effects really worry you? which one specifically has you up at night? The skin rash? I'm not even pro-Ivermectin.




trouble breathing
swelling of your throat or tongue
skin rash
If you develop these symptoms, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.

Don’t take this drug again if you’ve ever had an allergic reaction to it. Taking it again could be fatal (cause death).

Warnings for people with certain health conditions

For people with asthma: This drug may make your asthma worse. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with liver problems: If you have liver problems or a history of liver issues, this drug may cause more harm to your liver. Also, you may not be able to process this drug well. This may increase the levels of the drug in your body and cause more side effects. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with seizures: This drug may cause seizures. Ask your doctor if this drug is safe for you.

For people with HIV: If you have HIV or a condition where your immune system doesn’t work as well as it should, one dose of this drug may not be enough to treat your parasitic infection. You may need several treatments with this drug.

Warnings for other groups

For pregnant people: Talk with your doctor if you’re pregnant or planning to become pregnant. This drug should only be used if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk.

Research in animals has shown adverse effects to the fetus when the mother takes the drug. There haven’t been enough studies in humans to be certain how the drug might affect the fetus.

If you become pregnant while taking this drug, call your doctor right away.

For people who are breastfeeding: Ivermectin passes into breast milk and may cause side effects in a breastfed child. Talk with your doctor if you breastfeed your child. You may need to decide whether to stop breastfeeding or stop taking this medication.

For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.

For children: It hasn’t been established if this drug is safe and effective in children who weigh less than 33 pounds (15 kilograms)
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03-28-2024 , 06:51 AM
Ok source is kinda bad (daily mail) but the content is sound, and can be verified at source.

Looks like german top scientific health body (robert kock institute) in late 2020 wrote reports about lockdowns, and how they would cause more damage than covid (even under optimistic assumptions of efficacy of lockdown to reduce cases a lot), and that they wrote that even ffp2 masks had unproven effect on case mitigation, yet german politicians redacted those findings, hid them from the public, it took more than 2 years in a FOIA-equivalent legal battle to be able to access the unredacted reports.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ents-show.html

So during an emergency you lie about "science", censor opposite voices, claim a fake science (against the explicit, written consensus of your scientifical experts) as the legal basis to justify historically unprecedented compressions of fundamental constitutional rights, and you do all that because you think that's politically convenient for you, what should be the penalty of doing that? i think it can be framed as a crime against humanity very clearly.

This was our generation holocaust (mass violation of basic human rights of the population, with no historical precedent at that scale in peacetime) and we must act accordingly, punishing every single actor who has responsibilities and creating the conditions for this to never happen again at any cost.

We must amend constitutions removing the possibility of those constitutional rights limitations *with no exception*, not war, not a health crisis, nothing, we now know they will abuse those exceptions to extent that we thought were inimaginabile, and no crisis is as dangerous as the forfeiture of basic constitutional rights for the whole population.
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03-28-2024 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Ok source is kinda bad (daily mail) but the content is sound, and can be verified at source.
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We must amend constitutions removing the possibility of those constitutional rights limitations *with no exception*, not war, not a health crisis, nothing, we now know they will abuse those exceptions to extent that we thought were inimaginabile, and no crisis is as dangerous as the forfeiture of basic constitutional rights for the whole population.
Or, we could admit that the wearing a mask in public or requiring a vaccination to return to the workforce during a pandemic were small sacrifices. Such acts are for the public good and are the duties of citizenship of a civilized society and that listening to the hyperbolic claims that it is our generations holocaust is pure nonsense.

Also, dying as a dumb antivaxxer is pretty high on my list of things not to do.
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