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07-31-2022 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by InJuiceWeTrust
LOL, "I skimmed the paper but I will continue to act like I know an enormous amount about this topic" Geeez, narcissists are such a pain....
Chain of possession of data should actually be made extremely clear and easy to find in any peer reviewed scientific research. There is a Materials and Methods section where you are required to explicitly spell it out, or if it is not the first time this data has been used (as is often the case) cite another paper where it is explicitly spelled out.

The fact one has to go on a treasure hunt to try to find these details again points to how compromised this entire process is. IMO no peer reviewed paper should be making it into Nature where we cant even follow the chain of data collection. In the case where there are multiple groups working together you will often see a flowchart breaking down who did what.

Yet in this case it is not clear at all who did what, and no one seems to care. So here we are.
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07-31-2022 , 09:14 AM
We used the most robust data available even if problematic, is not as flawed as we purposefully just made up the data that is the case with numerous Ivermectin studies.
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07-31-2022 , 09:16 AM
Its a weird what aboutism argument.

Ivermectin studies might have been total and utter proven garbage, but what about those origin studies??
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07-31-2022 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
We used the most robust data available even if problematic, is not as flawed as we purposefully just made up the data that is the case with numerous Ivermectin studies.
One of the research papers Brett Weinstein was pointing to as evidence of Ivermectin's effectiveness in 2020 (I forget which one, somewhere in South America) he asked them to open their books and show him (and by extension the rest of the world) their data so it could be audited. They they basically told him to **** off. And even he admitted this was reason to completely discount their research.

China's approach from Day 1 when asked to open their books has been more or less "**** off" and the data they provide is being published in Nature and Science and featured in BBC and WaPo articles to make grand claims about the origin of the virus, without a single cause for concern. It has become truth. He who controls the present controls the past.

It really is more apples to apples than you would like to admit.

--Again, all else being equal China would probably prefer the "truth" was decided Covid came from an American bioweapons lab or Italy. I doubt they are the ones shaping our narrative. They have their own narrative they are shaping. But I think our Establishment is cynically using flawed data they provide to shape the narrative our narrative wants, and all else being equal they can live with this.
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07-31-2022 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNoGod2
and no one seems to care. So here we are.
If they only looked at your expert takes, posted on some random poker forum. Well, their loss, amirite?
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07-31-2022 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNoGod2
But I think our Establishment is cynically using flawed data they provide to shape the narrative our narrative wants, and all else being equal they can live with this.
Yeah, the establishment meets every Tuesday, discussing ways to make the live of bottom feeders harder. Because that's who they are most afraid from, that one superintelligent guy who posts on a random forum.
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07-31-2022 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNoGod2
One of the research papers Brett Weinstein was pointing to as evidence of Ivermectin's effectiveness in 2020 (I forget which one, somewhere in South America) he asked them to open their books and show him (and by extension the rest of the world) their data so it could be audited. They they basically told him to **** off. And even he admitted this was reason to completely discount their research.

China's approach from Day 1 when asked to open their books has been more or less "**** off" and the data they provide is being published in Nature and Science and featured in BBC and WaPo articles to make grand claims about the origin of the virus, without a single cause for concern. It has become truth. He who controls the present controls the past.

It really is more apples to apples than you would like to admit.

--Again, all else being equal China would probably prefer the "truth" was decided Covid came from an American bioweapons lab or Italy. I doubt they are the ones shaping our narrative. They have their own narrative they are shaping. But I think our Establishment is cynically using flawed data they provide to shape the narrative our narrative wants, and all else being equal they can live with this.
It has not become truth, that is just hyperbolic narrative from the talking heads to whom you concede the ability to determine all your narratives.

You really are an excellent narrative repeater bot.

But again this all a weird what aboutism, we know conclusively the data in numerous Ivermectin studies was bad, and in a weird attempt to obfuscate that badness you are all about what about the origin science?

Weird.
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08-15-2022 , 10:42 AM
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The UK has become the first country to approve a dual vaccine which tackles both the original Covid virus and the newer Omicron variant.

The upgraded vaccine should be available as an autumn booster and give better protection against variants.

Moderna said it could supply doses in the next few weeks, but exactly who will get them has yet to be announced.

All over-50s and people in high-risk groups will be offered some form of booster from next month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62548336
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08-17-2022 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
You are gaslighting again. The Great Barrington Declaration was made by top scientists from Harvard, Stanford, and Oxford. https://gbdeclaration.org/


The physicians who signed it are real. It got close to 1M signatures.



Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.




Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.




Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.










Here are the Co-signers of the Original Declaration.


Co-signers



Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners



Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA

Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden

Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England

Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England

Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada

Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel

Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany

Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA

Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA

Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England

Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel

Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England

Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA

Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany

Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland

Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany

Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany

Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany

Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden

Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England

Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA

Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England

Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England

Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England

Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada

Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.
Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England

Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel

Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India

Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA

Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA


Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand

Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England

Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA

Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA


Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel


Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany

Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel

Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England
Must be dismissed because johnny bananas as reported in UK intel rag the Guardian (see Mark Curtis report how guardian was co-opted post Assange btw).
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08-18-2022 , 01:18 PM
News crawlers seem to omit an interesting fact discovered from internal Pfizer documents recently released:

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More than 40 percent of pregnant women who participated in Pfizer’s mRNA COVID vaccine trial suffered miscarriages, according to internal Pfizer documents, recently released under court order. Out of 50 pregnant women, 22 of them lost their babies, according to an analysis of the documents.
From feminist author and journalist Dr. Naomi Wolf:
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“Pfizer took those deaths of babies—those spontaneous abortions and miscarriages—and recategorized them as recovered/resolved adverse effects. In other words, if you lost your baby, it was categorized by Pfizer as a resolved adverse event, like a headache that got better."
So, CDC/FDA have plausible deniability of any knowledge of adverse pregnancy risks as the miscarriages were obfuscated. I'm guessing emergency immunity will get Pfizer out of any litigation challenges, which is good for them of course. But it would be nice to hear Pfizer's side of the story.
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08-18-2022 , 04:26 PM
Excellent sleuthing work: also borne out by the fact that 10's of thousands of pregnant mothers miscarried after getting the vaccine. I remember the Today show leading with that.
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08-18-2022 , 06:21 PM
I assumed the massive worldwide miscarriage problem we've definitely been having was due to bad vape juice, not the COVID vaccine. In hindsight, it's obvious.
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08-18-2022 , 07:08 PM
You guys all know about this chinese whistle blower, right?
wtf is up with this? I mean this is a bit crazy, dont you think?

She came to America from Hong Kong, is a virologist, worked with the top dog virologists in china, lives in hiding now in the US, only to get banned from twitter? And they let misinformation stand from chinese government accounts? For real? This is ridiculous.

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watch for yourself:

This video is from 2020. Here she is sayin the virus comes from a lab, and that we all messed up.



Here she gets banned from Twitter, for what idk, they say because she is spreading misinformation. How can a whislteblower spread misinformation? Whatever she says it should not get banned imo. Also the opinion here:






Option one: she is telling the truth
Option two: she is not


I had a chinese roomate at college and she reminds me of him, a bit geeky and dorky but genuine, so I have my soft skills tell me she is not lying.

And why would she be lying? I cant see any reason. Is she a double agent or somehing? That doesnt make any sense either, because she is talking bad about china.



who can illumiate me here?


And why is she not on CNN? She seems to have been on FOX NEWS.
And why did twitter ban her?


She is praising Trump here in this video btw. Why would a chinese whisteblower praise Trump?

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08-18-2022 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
She is praising Trump here in this video btw. Why would a chinese whisteblower praise Trump?
Because she wants an audience for her ideologically driven misinformation.
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08-18-2022 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Because she wants an audience for her ideologically driven misinformation.

I dont belive this. For a few reasons, she comes across as very honest, and she is from Hong Kong. I had a classmate from Hong Kong, he was as straight as possible. I believe people from Hong Kong are pretty straight and she seems to be very straight. Anyway, why would she want an audience now? It brings her life in danger and she has to live in hiding. China doesnt like deflectors, you know? Thats what doesnt make any sense with your explanation. People dont like to leave their country and people and live their life under a new identidy under a whitness protection programm under constant stress.



Are you saying she is bought by trump? That doesnt make any sense imo.

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08-18-2022 , 09:05 PM
I see no reason whatsoever to believe you've ever taken a class.
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08-18-2022 , 09:57 PM
Looks like women in red states need more vaccine access.
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08-18-2022 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Because she wants an audience for her ideologically driven misinformation.
Sir, this man had a Chinese roomate, I think we need to take what he says seriously.
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08-19-2022 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Sir, this man had a Chinese roomate, I think we need to take what he says seriously.
He also talks to 2 Americans frequently. He's basically Reuters and Q in one.
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08-19-2022 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by InJuiceWeTrust
He also talks to 2 Americans frequently. He's basically Reuters and Q in one.

I have no clue what this q conspiracy is, I refused to look into this madness.
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08-19-2022 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
I see no reason whatsoever to believe you've ever taken a class.
Seriously you are not as fast as I thought, or you play dumb now.

She gets executed when she steps back on her home land, do you get this? Thats what they do with people talking bad about the gov. Especially top dog scientists, which she is. she worked with chinese first line doctors to solve this siuation until she could not take it anymore.

there is no logical reason why she would tell a lie imo, or is there?
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08-19-2022 , 01:33 PM
Another proof we are living in a bubble, its a facade of the truth.

That doctor was never invited to CNN BBC etc. only to fox and skynews etc. the right wing channels.

She did publish a scientific paper here with 3 other doctors from Hong Kong. Yes, she is really legit:

"Dr Yan had been working at Hong Kong University’s public health laboratory sciences division, a World Health Organisation infectious diseases research centre, when her boss was asked to investigate the outbreak in Wuhan. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6dec0cb665c970

Paper is here, open source. This really only confirms one thing, that the truth gets burried. And science got corrupted.

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.Yv_CIRzP23D
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08-19-2022 , 02:56 PM
She didn’t publish a scientific paper ie get it through the review process. She released a preprint. Actual reviewed articles show her work to be erroneous so decent news channels don’t have her on. Far right channels do because her discredited work fits their ideology and what they would like to be true.
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08-19-2022 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
She didn’t publish a scientific paper ie get it through the review process. She released a preprint. Actual reviewed articles show her work to be erroneous so decent news channels don’t have her on. Far right channels do because her discredited work fits their ideology and what they would like to be true.

wrong, I ask you to comprehend this information, especially the first short video:


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Originally Posted by washoe

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08-19-2022 , 07:38 PM
You won't be able to understand it, but here is the reviewed response to her work an it's highly critical. Why would they lie? How is it possible that they are lying so badly that someone like you, who would struggle in jr high level science classes can see their lies?
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