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Sex in the United Kingdom is now illegal if you do not live with the person.

It is COVID law.

If Brian Kemp and the Southern Governors did not open what they did, the North East governors would have continued pushing the envelope.

This should please the incels?

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06-03-2020 , 01:44 PM

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The NBA is going to play!

NFL Training Camps are going to open!

Any governor that does not immediately open their state for office buildings and dining establishment is a damn moron that needs to go.

COVID has been defeated. Time to declare victory.

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06-03-2020 , 01:56 PM

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06-03-2020 , 02:47 PM

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Cases go up as testing increases. That is a bad stat, Mr. Wookie.

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06-03-2020 , 02:49 PM

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Cases go up as testing increases. That is a bad stat, Mr. Wookie.

Wow, there's a lot going on in this post. Did you check the number of daily tests performed in those states to confirm your assertion here before accusing Wookie of using a "bad stat", or are we just supposed to assume that taking you at your word is a "good stat"?

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06-03-2020 , 02:54 PM

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Testing is increasing everywhere. All stats are bad stats. Even hospilizations as Georgia is now testing everyone admitted to the hospital for COVID. So, people going in for something different could be categorized as COVID related.

Are there ample beds? Are there ample ventilators? This does not seem to be a problem anywhere as reported by the news.

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06-03-2020 , 03:02 PM

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Testing is increasing everywhere. All stats are bad stats.

Data for North Carolina

From Tuesday 5/17 to Tuesday 5/26, North Carolina reported 87,323 tests with 4,440 positives.

From Tuesday 5/26 to Tuesday 6/2, North Carolina reported 82,590 tests with 5,749 positives.

Smudger: "Cases going up is a BAD STAT, they're just doing more tests"

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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06-03-2020 , 03:06 PM

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Stop. Who was the segment of the population they tested the prior week? Was there a big data dump of people that weren't sick who agreed to testing the prior week? And, people more susceptible this week? It's a raw stat and useless for policy decisions. Hospital beds and ventilators are the two factors that should be guiding policy decisions.

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06-03-2020 , 03:07 PM

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COVID has been defeated. Time to declare victory.

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All stats are bad stats..

Solid right wing brain****ery.

How can you tell it's been defeated, if all stats are bad stats?

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06-03-2020 , 03:10 PM

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Solid right wing brain****ery.

How can you tell it's been defeated, if all stats are bad stats?

Hospital beds and ventilators are available for any who needs it. As long as people are able to be treated for disease there is no need to lock down the country for it.

If you want to move the ball to vaccine good luck on convincing the American people to stay at home through December. Then, if the virus mutated and the vaccine is ineffective, good luck getting them to stay at home indefinitely.

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06-03-2020 , 03:11 PM

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lolololololololol

Cases go down: "VICTORY"
Cases go up: "THERE'S A MILLION REASONS WE CAN'T TRUST CASES"

I mean it's pretty safe to say that there is no statistic you would accept that shows COVID getting worse, right? You literally just said "cases are only going up because we're testing more" and when shown to be false you just make up a billion reasons why we can't trust testing. Why didn't you just say that from the start if that's what you truly believe?

(I mean, we know why, it's because you don't truly believe that - you believe whatever is necessary to support BRIAN KEMP 2024 hahahahahahaha)

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06-03-2020 , 03:15 PM

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Things have opened up and no health crisis ensued. It is total victory. Time to get back to work and begin helping those 40,000,000 unemployed people get back to work. Do you think 40% of low income people being out of work is good for social stability? Do you think 40% of low income people being out of work is good for the African American Community? The horrible thing about the shut down is that it did not impact accountants, lawyers, investment people, or people that live on the stock market. It hurt low income earners the hardest.

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06-03-2020 , 03:17 PM

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I mean it's pretty safe to say that there is no statistic you would accept that shows COVID getting worse, right?

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Things have opened up and no health crisis ensued. It is total victory.

Thanks for confirming

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06-03-2020 , 03:19 PM

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And I didn't say cases went down. I said this:

The NBA is going to play!

NFL Training Camps are going to open!

Any governor that does not immediately open their state for office buildings and dining establishment is a damn moron that needs to go.

COVID has been defeated. Time to declare victory.

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06-03-2020 , 03:42 PM

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Are the Lefties here pleased that California Governor Newsome is slowly re-opening the state?

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06-03-2020 , 03:50 PM

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Are the Lefties here pleased that California Governor Newsome is slowly re-opening the state?

I think if it's done intelligently, on a per-county basis with counties meeting certain guidelines, that's good. Rural counties in the far north or the Sierras shouldn't have to stay closed if they don't have an infection problem. LA County is a total shitshow and is nowhere near ready, though.

That said, what happens when Mono County opens back up and rich people in LA County are like "oh **** yes, I'm going back to Mammoth" which has already had COVID problems? It seems hard to both allow areas without problems to open back up, while not restricting travel from people coming from hard-hit areas, or else tourists are just gonna keep re-infecting the rural areas.

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06-03-2020 , 03:57 PM

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Yeah, basically. I think where smudger has a point is that there are enormous costs to lockdowns, and they cause a lot of harm. So we definitely can't do them indefinitely, we do have to find ways to open up while mitigating risk.

Where he's completely off base is in thinking it's time to declare victory and pretend that there is no problem at all. Covid hasn't been defeated, not even close. But there are reasonable ways to resume at least some activity that's been forbidden under lockdown.

And the point that different areas should have different levels of restrictions is important. And we will probably have to keep reassessing periodically.

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06-03-2020 , 04:38 PM

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Perhaps TOTAL VICTORY was an overstatement. Even I am not yet ready to open sporting arena's and concert halls.

But, time to get back to work! Open the hairdressers, open the barbershops,open the office buildings that don't require 50 people on an elevator at the same time, open the restraunts.

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06-03-2020 , 05:20 PM

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Perhaps TOTAL VICTORY was an overstatement. Even I am not yet ready to open sporting arena's and concert halls.

How do you feel about Trump demanding the RNC be held in a full-capacity sporting arena with no face coverings?

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06-03-2020 , 05:21 PM

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How do you feel about Trump demanding the RNC be held in a full-capacity sporting arena with no face coverings?

It's not till August. I think it is a perfectly acceptable request to make today.

I think the local health board would have to make the decision based on facts in August.

Plan for the big event. If circumstances don't allow it, have a back up plan for a suitable event.

I think when the North Carolina said Trump's plans were "unlikely" he is premature. He should have said, make two plans. We will accomodate whichever one is reccomended by CDC guidelines in August. He went with "unlikely".

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06-03-2020 , 05:31 PM

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That was not suitable to the Trump campaign. They wanted assurances, today, that North Carolina would let them hold the event the way they demanded in August.

The word "guarantee" is pretty clear here:

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06-03-2020 , 05:33 PM

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Yeah, I see your point. But, if CDC and Faucci tell him it is idiotic in August, he would pull back.

I see no reason not to give him assurances based on CDC guidelines at the time. Saying "unlikely" is premature.

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06-03-2020 , 06:17 PM

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Yeah, I see your point. But, if CDC and Faucci tell him it is idiotic in August, he would pull back.

Pretty stupid to demand a guarantee then? Trump hasn't even indicated he's willing to do this, we just have you claiming he would based on nothing. The only thing Trump has said he will accept right now is a governor telling him "yes I guarantee you can have 20k old white men in an arena without face masks in August" and any governor who does that (and there definitely will be one from a red state) is being incredibly reckless.