Ya he posts solely in the BFI forums. He has been calling for Bitcoin and Tesla to collapse for years now, apparently. Bragged about going short against Tesla years ago and still says he made money on the stock claiming he played a bounce.

A ridiculous claim from someone who still talks as if Tesla is a shell about to explode as then you would never fill your short on a bounce as you would believe the collapse was in process and just ride it to riches. (both of those could see corrections IMO)

I've been arguing with him in the CoronaVirus thread there as he claims Obama and not Trump is to blame for the US not having restocked PPE, saying it is up to the guy who depleted and why would someone else fix the problem they created.

His position is Trump was near flawless in handling it and if not for dirty Dem Governors, dirty Dem Mayors and the dirty populaces they serve, Coronavirus would have been handled and gone away. When he refers to "dirty" you can guess what he means, most times.


(edit : and it was "his own" until I invaded it. And oh have they cried to the Mod's there to ban since I did. No more Trump safe space.)

Oh, I do not care about his backstory as a human. I assume he is inferior. If he is inferior while believing he is superior - sure, no difference in the end. I just want to know what he predicts so I can bet against it. Does he have any specific place where he makes predictions as actually having to read what he says and others debating him would be a bit tiring, and I need a break from that after the Trumpderps of 2020 - despite how generous they were as a species!

Back to Covid please.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-r...of-jj-vaccine/

Apparently it is still a thing despite some predicting it would not be.

It’s a thing kinda sorta.

As one commenter states: like having a peeing section of a swimming pool.

Blueprint for a zero covid strategy that works. More places need to be opting for this imo

https://zerocovidcanada.org/take-action

Kill the virus, save the world.

I actually recocgized this point. This graph albeit true, so not useless, was not the wisest choice out of all the graphs i should have entered with, to argue my position that lockdowns have a minimal effect on overall mortality from covid and instead cause major harms. I have too many. But when i see posts such as the one above, im not sure i should waste my time any furthur here.

China is no exception. Viruses atrempt to work their way through the population. Its just a matter of time with particular ones such as this one. But define work? Does work mean supress, eradicate, or have an eftect on overall mortality?

Im sure your question is loaded. I can post evidence for days on why lockdowns will be looked back on for this virus as a collosal mistake, not based on science while in return getting nothing credidible back to be countered by so hit me.

Did the shutdowns slow the virus spread and allow China to get it under control and return citizens back to life quicker?

I would argue China seems to be the biggest exception in the world actually. Hard to see how it is not.

Or is everything you are saying premised on it eventually failing and China suffering the same impacts as others?

Yes. It is here forever. It will mutate, become more transmissable and less virulent such as the other four coronaviruses endemic to us have. Worry about a new strain. Which we will call Sars 3, no doubt. Dont worry about this one.

Having posted this earlier in the BFI thread to those who argue Let it Rip, was the only reasonable response to Coronavirus I point out a few things but this one chief amongst them.

We now have a new vaccine resistant strain coming out of India because they let it Rip, starting to tear it's way thru Quebec. This strain seems to not care about the vaccine and is infected vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

In BC and a few other provinces we are being ravaged by the Brazilian variant (another country that also let it Rip) when we were managing the original strain immensely well even before vaccinations.

These variants are not only more contagious, but also more virulent and dangerous to younger people.

SO as I say to them, as they argue Trump's brilliance re Operation Warp speed, that if you are all-in on a miraculous vaccine coming quickly then it makes far less sense to front load deaths by letting it rip.

It is only if you believed no vaccine was coming and natural herd immunity was the only defense then you could argue Let it Rip made more sense.


It is a truism, that we on this planet could be held hostage by literally the dumbest amongst us as they fight all control measures, act as breeding grounds for variants, and then demand no measures be taken to address variants either.

As the rest of the world goes thru measures trying to contain this as China has, the dumbest amongst may keep sabotaging that effort while complaining about measures that could have been long behind us had they only complied.

Do you have any more info on this? You used an abbreviated link, which doesn't work. Earlier, I read this in the same newspaper:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...auricie-region

They talk about QC having just confirmed their first case, which is a far cry from "starting to tear its way".

I've yet to hear of any variant that "seems to not care about the vaccine and is infected vaccinated and unvaccinated alike". If there is one, it doesn't appear to be the variant in the article I linked:

But maybe you've learned about something different and can post a working link.

Edit to add: Just found your other post, and it appears to be the same article. Dude. Your overall point is valid - I'm sure you could have still made it with more accurate information.

Pretty sure the consensus is that vaccines work against known variants but with reduced effectiveness and some variants are showing escape from antibodies in those already infected with wild covid.

Sure. Lots we don't know, but it does seem that vaccine effectiveness may be lower against variants.

You seem to be correct as i cannot find the other piece I was reading which more than likely looked more like this one which starts by taking about the India Variant but then switches mid article to taking about how 'all variants' are now driving the numbers and what are ripping thru populaces.

I should have adjusted to 'all' instead of 'india' variant.

Great Points about Sweden. I do not think they failed. I know someone that is basically from sweden and he says they handle it better.

It is true that China made a big lockdown which is basically only possible in China. To attempt to copy this is hilarious at best and many experts have said it is ineffective. The virus will stay anyways and catch up.
So we are just buying time while crippling our economics among other effects of being trapped at home. Suicides, domestic violence etc.

Anyways, why are we copying Chinas lockdown strategy? They did lie to us from the beginning. They KNEW how easily spread this virus is. They silenced and punished doctors who wanted to inform the world. If they had warned us we would have been much better off right? Why did they do it? It could be that they didn't know wtf they were dealing with either. And once it hit us we had the same conditions as they did to fight this.

Good article thanks. What I didn't know is that the "protection" of these vaccines wears out after 6 month. Does it mean I have to take the vaccine every 6 month for the rest of my life?

So will you give a clear yes or no answer to this question that MacOne seems to be determined to avoid...

"Did the shutdowns slow the virus spread and allow China to get it under control and return citizens back to life quicker?"

As someone said at the end what happens if we combat the virus effectively as China did? The virus will bite us in the ass anyways? As India, Latin America, Africa is not capable of a such effective lockdowns.

Sounds like the type of reasoning given for why we should not fight Climate Issues. What we call 'self defeating arguments' because you refuse to even try under the assumption you may not win.

Please answer my above question.

Yes it did. And it probably saved the rest of the country from getting infected. This is the answer you were aiming for right?


But what about this: they only slowdowned the spread. Eventually it will hit everyone in their country anyways. I'm just repeating what some experts have said here. You cannot fight this virus they said.

So which answer is more true? We as a modern society have to keep going right? We can't just stop. Business will go broke, people will suffer if we don't control this virus. We can't stop this big machine of economics can we? The real question should be what s best for the people.

And to that question I have no real answer. All we can do imo is stay healthy and don't freak out.

We should fight climate change as it is a problem for anyone. The effectiveness of strategies vs covid is to question.

To what life exactly are they returning quicker? If they are returning to wuhan, an area which is responsible for most for their ROI so to speak. The area that produces most of thier export goods. Where people are swarming like ants into huge fabics to produce our stuff.

They are probably all vaccinated now. Yes they are able to return back to life quicker. But to what kind of life to what price? Now they have to take vaccines every 6 month? And work their butts off. All waiting for the next
Outbreak. And then what?

This is probably near enough true to take it as an assumption. But 'eventually' can mean after you are vaccinated with protection from infection and serious illness. It can also means after better treatments are developed for those who get unlucky. 'Eventually' can removes a huge %age of the downside.

You may argue the costs of buying that life saving time is too high but let's not underestimate just how valuable 'eventually' is.