Well said!

Wow

I dont have enough thumbs.

Would you also fundamentally agree that we shouldnt care about anything but pedophiles until we got em all and made sure no one else will ever be one again?

This 'banned from one subforum for unacceptable behaviour but then allowed to go post in others' is a new concept to me.

I have never been on any other forum that would allow someone to transgress their rules so badly that they had to ban them but then say 'ya so feel free now to post in the other subforums'.

Has that always been the case here?

You need to clarify that weird question as it does not seem to follow from what I said at all.

I don't think any of disagree that things can rise in priority especially during the time of their spread.

So for instance Ebola hitting the USA instantly became a big focus, to address and eradicate. This despite the fact that sugar killed far more people that week, month and year.

So its a specious argument that addressing one means you are not addressing or caring about the other. It is an entirely fake argument.

The only ones playing absolutist games as if only one thing can be addressed are the ones who keep trying to use the 'greater evil' argument. Which is to say 'as long as i can point at something that kills more than Covid, then covid should not be focused upon'.

It is a completely false argument.

doubt the mod want a rehash but exiles rather than site bans became the norm from politics forums because too many 2+2ers were going to get banned altogether, some for the most ridiculous reasons (I'd still love to see list of regulars who were banned before exiles started). The worst case, which finally led to the change was by a PU mod but many, including me, were under the threat of a ban for the most ludicrous of reasons at times. There was no way 2+2 admins could allow that threat and reality to continue so exiles became the norm instead.

It would not be nearly as big a problem these days but but it was absolutely necessary before the changes.

Iirc TS is a special case. A ton of people wanted to see him gone, but BFI wanted him to stay. Thats why he is forbidden from some subs, but not others.

TS routinely posts Stormfront-grade racist bullshit and is now spewing disinformation about COVID. That’s on top of the fact that he’s dodging a permaban. It’s sad that 2p2 has no problem giving someone like him a soapbox.

Look, you might not be aware of it, but there is actually more than just one pov on the world. Some people believe that the "fight against CoViD" is unproportional. You make fun of one of those arguments and dismiss it by:

"I fundamentally reject the 'leave the pedophile next door alone, because sugar kills more kids' equivocation arguments as complete garbage on their face.

They are unworthy of being addressed and either purposely mischievous arguments or the arguments of the total uniformed and idiotic."

Now you claim Im asking an absolutionist question, when clearly you made an absolutetistic statement yourself. I just wanted to show you just that, unfortunately you missed that.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...ncer-pandemic/

37.7% of cancer operations canceled.
At what % would you say that we stop caring about cancer? 100?
Whats your threshold?

And no, thats not a crazy question, eventho Im sure youll feel that way.
You, as the one enforcing/supporting lockdowns and the like are the ones who need to justify your actions. Not the other way around.

Interesting.

It seems 2+2 went the opposite way of what i have seen on other forums.

Most recognize the contentious of Political discussion and allow that forum, sometimes solely, to exist as a more no-holds barred, lesser moderation place. Sure blatant racism or things such as threatening each other are not allowed but otherwise let it rip. And those forums says that in the rules, 'that if you cannot handle it, seek out the more moderated forum options'.

I basically agree with that. There is no reason a BFI Covid thread should allow more aggressive disagreements than a Political forum thread should and it distorts things when that becomes the case, as it is on 2+2.

I have no issue with 'differences of opinion'.

My problem is with dramatically flawed arguments and specious ones.

I call those out and no amount of 'I have a right to my flawed statements' will change that.


The 'ignore the pedophile next door because sugar kills more kids' is a false dilemma argument. It's an actual logical fallacy. We CANNOT accept logical fallacies based on 'but it is my opinion, bro', rationalizations.

Your cancer false equivalency is proof of that.

If you want to hold that position then first prove that it is not the lack of critical care equipment and staff due to them TREATING covid patients that is causing that problem? PROVE, that 'letting covid rip' and seeing exponentially more patients interned and beds taken and staff shortages somehow then results in more Cancer care.


What you are doing is randomly pointing at and isolating things as causal that you have no way to prove are and that fly in the face of logical thought.

Letting covid rip means more cases, less beds, LESS ELECTIVE surgeries, LESS Cancer surgeries.

Unless you are advocating on letting Covid rip while refusing to accept the Covid sick into hospitals and telling them to survive or not at home.

What you are saying is again "... an entirely fake argument"

Covid is causing cancer treatment to be cancelled so we should not lock down is an absolutely absurd argument as you will ever see.

The fire is burning my hand so we should pour petrol on it.

Also Lockdown does not automatically mean cancellation of non covid care, in the UK we are in lockdown, elective surgery is still happening in those hospitals that have capacity for it.

It is one of the most flawed and baseless arguments trotted out by the 'its just a flu bro' crowd.

Most hospitals are keeping electives going as long as possible, due to them being the prime profit center for them, and that same 'flu bro' crowd loves to point to that as proof the hospitals are not over run and its all fake.

The electives are only pinched off, in most cases, as the beds can no longer be justified due to Covid patient influx.

but those facts do not stop 'the flu bro' crowd from spamming this disinformation and trying to pretend its just another valid 'opinion'.

This is very much of interest to me and i look forward to seeing mass data on it.

This Covid thing is more dangerous that some of my idiot friends say. I said something very wrong and fortunately tame_deuces is a very intelligent and fast.
I'm ashamed I said Mr. Cain who died from Covid was in a very bad condition.

I looked at excess death rates and there is about 250.000 more deaths in the US 2020 compared to the avg. previous years.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/...aths-covid-19/

Be safe everyone,
Apologies for being an idiot
Not on my game and will stop posting for a while..

Being able to admit you were wrong is massive on the internet, its probably only me and you that can do it, so far Ive not had to due too never being wrong.

very nice, washoe.

We are all human. I appreciate your post and admittedly I asked for some humble pie earlier in this thread.

What is most moving is that because of your open mind, lives may be saved.

Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.

Thanks you guys for you too happy thanksgiving and all!

washoe 2020!

It's a big problem because I think a lot of people genuinely believe that lockdowns cause operations to be cancelled. In fact the reverse is true and operation restarted as lockdowns took effect. Then as the lockdowns were eased and covid got out of control again, operation started to get cancelled again.

It's not just the pressure that covid cases caused on the health services. Hospitals are one of the main places to catch the virus and clinical decisions have to take into account the increased risk of elective procedures.

No, it wasnt lockdowns never claimed they were. Biggest issue is the ****ing fear-mongering.

Seriously guys Im afraid its too much.
There are people who post a graph showing correlations claiming causality. And think they are they kind of wise person who is allowed to belittle everyone else. Thats kindergarden niveau.

And btw. I wont ever admit Im wrong. Because I never claimed to be right. Im asking questions. But instead of answering them, like Cuppeee who not only has dodged any question I asked him the last couple days, I get called a deliusonal ****** who shouldnt be allowed to even ask questions.

How much are you willing to sacrifice for your health is the quesion.
Have you even ever probably thought about what health is?

https://www.aerzteblatt.de/archiv/32...tschrittsfalle

This article from 2002 perfectly explains my thoughts perfectly.
Unfortunately its in german, but those who want to read it will find a way to translate Im sure.

Summarise your thoughts into a coherent argument.

If its not lockdowns as you very clearly seemed to imply, everyone reading your post took it that way, how is the fear mongering stopping us caring about cancer?

How is fear mongering stopping cancer treatment from happening, this seems an absurd claim. (Again.)

@ Ronny. Wasn't criticisng you in particular. Yes there's no doubt the danger of covid has caused people to avoid hospital even when they could go and probably should go. Only confidence in the systems could prevent this and unfortuantely, in the Uk at least, anyone whoi has confidence in Boris/Hancock & co is an idiot.

In answer to your question: The answer is 'very very lttle'. It would be more if I had dependents

But to protect the health of others: A lot.