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02-14-2022 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Have you thought about taking her to a doctor? FFS.
She just came back from a doctors visit and my sister is a medical doc. I have my licence revoked, if I drive it's illegal, I wouldn't care in an emergency though.
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02-14-2022 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
They are telling me now it's illegal if I stay, but what do I care? I don't see any other option.

I really appreciate your kind words and advices.
Your parents are telling you that it is illegal if you stay in their house?
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02-14-2022 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Your parents are telling you that it is illegal if you stay in their house?
Yes because of quarantine guidelines. They might have lied to me but it makes sense. I'm not registered here, I'm registered under my flat. In the states, are you allowed to stay if someone is covid positive and you don't belong to the household?
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02-14-2022 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Yes because of quarantine guidelines. They might have lied to me but it makes sense. I'm not registered here, I'm registered under my flat. In the states, are you allowed to stay if someone is covid positive and you don't belong to the household?
Got it. I am not aware of any rules on that sort of thing in the U.S. If they exist, no one is complying with them.
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02-14-2022 , 02:32 PM
Thanks, I think they are loosening up now because people got tired of the rules now after over 2 years. But still, it's kind of dangerous if it hits you.
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02-15-2022 , 07:01 AM
Watching the Super Bowl, it seemed that very few were wearing masks. Glad to see that the mask mandates, at least here in California, are now officially null and void.

Looking forward to living a maskless life once again starting today!
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02-15-2022 , 11:54 AM
really happy for you. wishing you all the best
in this next chapter of ur life!
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02-15-2022 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Watching the Super Bowl, it seemed that very few were wearing masks. Glad to see that the mask mandates, at least here in California, are now officially null and void.

Looking forward to living a maskless life once again starting today!
They handed out 80,000 N95 masks but everyone there went with the mayors strategy and just hold your breath.

Of course Hollywood Celebs had no issues not wearing masks why they had previously shamed folks that do not.
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02-15-2022 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Bolded is of course false, but it's hard to blame Cuepee when he's had to deal with the BFI crowd for two years. Being inundated with their nonsense clearly has had an effect.

Reality is that the CDC and the NIH were remarkably consistent in their guidance on masking throughout the early stages of the pandemic, and that continues today. But, bear in mind that at the early stages not everything was well known, so their position was required to evolve as new information came in. And of course, as with all things, the Right Wing Smear Machine likes to pounce on any and all openings to attack anyone who tends to make sense, so those evolving positions had to be loudly mischaracterized and smeared with the maximum level of vitriol possible. All comments by anyone ever at any time with even a shred of ambiguity or nuance must also be removed from all context and presented in the absolute worst light possible, all in the dedicated and ongoing mission to make Donald Trump into their savior king. This despite him being possibly the dumbest world leader in the history of mankind.

Put everything into context, however, and a different story emerges. I could go through it all here, but others have done the work for me, for those that care to read it.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aims-fauci-li/

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/sc...ut-face-masks/

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...id/4068162001/

TLDR: when your only for sure weapon against a virus is a lockdown, you don't want people who eschew the lockdowns thinking they can get around them by wearing some BS mask made from a bandanna or a wool scarf. Further, when the only type of medical mask you know for sure will block viral particles is a fitted n95, it's not helpful for the general population to go out and mass panic buy either those or surgical masks such that there are none available for actual medical professionals. Largely because the first tenet of medical professionals is to do no harm, so having people running around buying even the three-ply masks when there was no evidence that they'd even accomplish anything wouldn't be helpful. People would no-doubt buy them, then engage in risky behavior thinking they were protected, and they wouldn't be.

Later, when new information came out that even cloth masking might have some reasonable preventative measure, guidance got updated. Which of course to the right wing means that they LIED LIED LIED when they said masks weren't recommended.

Then in 2021 when vaccines were out and infections were going down, the guidance changed again, because vaccinated people weren't spreading the virus very much. So another change in guidance. AHA! said the right. WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG YOU'RE ALL LIARS LIARS LIARS LIARS etc etc.

Oops but now along comes Delta, which is way more contagious, such that now it's a good idea for even the vaxxed to wear masks again. But now the right is all like, 'WHY ARE WE LISTENING TO THOSE LYING LIAR LIARS?'

And now we're in omicron, which is even worse. So now the nonsense comes with goddamn truck convoys to honk their horns and block international borders and I'm not even sure reality has intrinsic meaning anymore. And here we are.
the Mask lie, I am referring to is this revisionist spin that Fauci and the CDC suggested masks were needed, knowing they were but to protect the inventory of masks within the US so they could prioritized to Front Line Workers and not bought up in a toilet paper like rush by the general public. I even heard Fauci suggest that they were 'protecting the supplies.'.

That is simply false and if that was the underlying logic they did even more of a disservice as the CDC and Trump admin did NOTHING, to secure the masks and PPE in country and let it leave back for China on board State Department planes.

YOu cannot have your cake and eat it too. If they were protecting the supply they failed. Better to have it in US citizens hands then. Plus as someone else mentioned a Texas PPE firm was begging the CDC and Trump WH to give them blanket PO so they could restart their and ramp up their PPE lines making N95 masks and other PPE and they had ZERO interest. Nada.

So fine if we want to say it was simply a CDC oversight that was corrected later with better data, but that is very different than the spin of 'they did for the greater good or protecting the supplies' when they did no such thing.
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02-15-2022 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
the Mask lie, I am referring to is this revisionist spin that Fauci and the CDC suggested masks were needed, knowing they were but to protect the inventory of masks within the US so they could prioritized to Front Line Workers and not bought up in a toilet paper like rush by the general public. I even heard Fauci suggest that they were 'protecting the supplies.'.

That is simply false and if that was the underlying logic they did even more of a disservice as the CDC and Trump admin did NOTHING, to secure the masks and PPE in country and let it leave back for China on board State Department planes.

YOu cannot have your cake and eat it too. If they were protecting the supply they failed. Better to have it in US citizens hands then. Plus as someone else mentioned a Texas PPE firm was begging the CDC and Trump WH to give them blanket PO so they could restart their and ramp up their PPE lines making N95 masks and other PPE and they had ZERO interest. Nada.

So fine if we want to say it was simply a CDC oversight that was corrected later with better data, but that is very different than the spin of 'they did for the greater good or protecting the supplies' when they did no such thing.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...masks-n2570789
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02-15-2022 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
They handed out 80,000 N95 masks but everyone there went with the mayors strategy and just hold your breath.

Of course Hollywood Celebs had no issues not wearing masks why they had previously shamed folks that do not.
Yeah, what about those Hollywood celebrities!
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02-15-2022 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Yeah, what about those Hollywood celebrities!
Keep Trolling. Im sure those masks would have been appreciated by front line workers. When you post or tweet Dont be an ass wear a mask and than not wear one at the whole game....
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02-15-2022 , 04:32 PM
Any conservative public figures that did this? Just curious, because for some reason all of your "what about" comments (and seriously you make dozens a week) always seem to be about one side only. Perhaps it is a coincidence, but when you have that much unaware bias in all your posts (as you pretend to be middle of the road) it pretty much devalues anything you are saying, so genuine advice - either go whole hog in the alt-right derp like Shifty (to his credit he is transparent and honest about that) or try to mix in some genuine "what abouts" of people on the other side as a standalone point, even if you do not really believe it. Mix up your game a little.
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02-15-2022 , 04:56 PM
That's no entirely fair, Mont. No one should be forced to BothSideIt just so your sensibilities aren't rustled. There is political discourse and then there is your version. I'll choose the former.
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02-15-2022 , 05:12 PM
But what about the time Lozen didn’t respond with a whatabout post?
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02-15-2022 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
That's no entirely fair, Mont. No one should be forced to BothSideIt just so your sensibilities aren't rustled. There is political discourse and then there is your version. I'll choose the former.
He is most certainly not forced to do that. In fact I assume he simply cannot, and he can continue to do his what about Trudeau/Biden/Liberals/Hollywood/Obama/Fauci thing, but that does become a form of white noise after a while, hence I merely suggest he throw in a change of pace (even if he does not believe it) simply for the shock value. Pro wrestling did that one night when they had Barry Horowitz (one of the best jobbers of all time) win a match on TV when he never wins a match. It had impact because it was not expected and people enjoyed his work moving forward even more.
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02-15-2022 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
He is most certainly not forced to do that. In fact I assume he simply cannot, and he can continue to do his what about Trudeau/Biden/Liberals/Hollywood/Obama/Fauci thing, but that does become a form of white noise after a while, hence I merely suggest he throw in a change of pace (even if he does not believe it) simply for the shock value. Pro wrestling did that one night when they had Barry Horowitz (one of the best jobbers of all time) win a match on TV when he never wins a match. It had impact because it was not expected and people enjoyed his work moving forward even more.
No all you do is troll. I pointed out the elites that tell us to wear a mask to save lives gathered in a stadium of 80,000 people and ignored the rules themselves.

Worst offenders are the Mayor whose excuse was I hold my breath and than gets caught again. Yeah I get you do not like my criticism of the left that delivers on exactly what the right does nothing

As for me always being critical of JT and calling him a dictator well it kind of looks like him acting like one yesterday .
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02-15-2022 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
No all you do is troll. I pointed out the elites that tell us to wear a mask to save lives gathered in a stadium of 80,000 people and ignored the rules themselves.

Worst offenders are the Mayor whose excuse was I hold my breath and than gets caught again. Yeah I get you do not like my criticism of the left that delivers on exactly what the right does nothing

As for me always being critical of JT and calling him a dictator well it kind of looks like him acting like one yesterday .
Fwiw don’t you think it’s better to be cautious instead of not being cautious ?
Covid and delta was a threat for many people ( our society get older and older right ?) .

Now covid seem to have mutate with omicron in nothing more than a strong version of the flu .

Good news !

Those that means the « elites » were wrong the pass 2 years ?

Now u can blame anyone all u want to be « overly » cautious about covid in the past few weeks , we don’t know if the mutation are finish or not with covid being dangerous or not , but all I know is this :

Not many weeks ago , health care system was in a dire situation and it just get relieved more and more not long ago , and government are « deleveraging » with that fact if I’m not mistaking right ?

is it the end of the world after 2 years ! To maybe take what …. 1 more month or 2 with mandates that 99% of the population are tired of , just to make sure evrything is in the clear to prevent another return in another health and economic crisis like alberta did in summer 2021 ?

U might say yes , but the point is , the government will be guilty regardless what he does right ?

People like u , no offence intended , makes me think about a situation where a doctor forcing an athlete to not compete yet for couple weeks more to make sure his body is ready after a big surgery to compete again ….

And for that the athlete is calling his doctor a nazis ……for preventing him to do what he wants …

Imo u should take a step back in look at the big picture ?
The ratio between couple week with mandates to prevent another year or 2 of a huge health crisis seem a small price to pay to make sure evrything gets cleared out , shrug .

And the mandates are now being cancelled .
Great news ….

Nazism is killing millions of people right ?
U think trudeau is a dictator but I don’t see many people able to dish so much **** on the president of China , North Korea and the like …..
And compare to those countries during the pandemic , I think Canadians were pretty free to do w.e they want it , compare to them .

Sometimes I think people have no idea how lucky we are to be here and what a great system were in …even tho sometimes it sucks a bit .

The left complain on trump not being cautious enough vs covid and it cost a lot more death in the us than it did imo .
The right complain on trudeau is to be overly cautious but I think Canada did ok with the number of death ?

Which side u want to be on is your choice of course but I rather be on the left side cause losing the right to not wear a mask compare to preventing people to have accès to hospitals or creating death is an easy choice for me , shrug

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02-15-2022 , 11:57 PM
I have a covid deaths question that should be able to be answered fairly easily or else what I'm saying must have some validity.

Death peak was about 4k when we didn't have a vax, give or take. Now 2200 people a day are still dying from covid despite the fact 80%+ of the vulnerable population is vaxxed. So you're still getting 55-60% of death peak with 80-85% of vulnerable population vaxxed. At first I thought this was just because of how transmissable Omicron was.

But they're saying the deaths are entirely from the non-fully vaxxed. Fully vaxxed is 2 jabs.

People who aren't getting boosted must be dying in large numbers, no?

Am I wrong? If I'm not then I dunno why they're calling someone with 2 jabs fully vaxxed, they didn't get the boost and they're more likely to die.
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02-16-2022 , 12:02 AM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Like how the **** does MA have 118 covid deaths today? The whole state is vaxxed besides low risk 20s and 30s DGAF bros basically

Gotta be people not getting boosted taking the L's
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02-16-2022 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Like how the **** does MA have 118 covid deaths today? The whole state is vaxxed besides low risk 20s and 30s DGAF bros basically

Gotta be people not getting boosted taking the L's
First of all, you say "basically", because of course it isn't the case that everyone else is vaxxed. While the percent might be low, there are probably going to be tens of thousands of unvaxxed vulnerable people. And "low risk 20s and 30s" isn't no risk. When you consider over a million people unvaccinated, 118 isn't a large percentage. Also doesn't help that MA is apparently #10 state in terms of average age.

But yeah, 118 deaths at this point is quite something, as is 2,200 deaths in the US as a whole. Sadly, that's nothing new. Hope those numbers keep coming down.
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02-16-2022 , 12:25 AM
Obviously when I said basically, I do have #'s behind it though. Probably 90% over 65+ are vaxxed. The state avg is 76%, 2nd highest in nation to Vermont

State population is like 7M, don't see how that leads us to tens of thousands of unvaxxed vulnerable people to where we're still offing around 3k a month.


You don't think this is because the non-boosted vulnerable are dying? So you're shooting down my theory?

And I'm not one of these "do my own research" bros either like Aaron Rodgers, but that is a statistical discrepancy to me that must have something to it.

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02-16-2022 , 12:32 AM
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Obviously when I said basically, I do have #'s behind it though. Probably 90% over 65+ are vaxxed.
Yes, I understand that. That's why I said:

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While the percent might be low
I was leading up to the point that even a low % can mean some large numbers.

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The state avg is 76%, 2nd highest in nation to Vermont

State population is like 7M, don't see how that leads us to tens of thousands of unvaxxed vulnerable people to wear we're still offing around 3k a month.
Well, I believe you have around 860,000 people over 65, and 10% of that (based on your 90% vaxxed figure) would be 86,000. IE, tens of thousands.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/census...hic-statistics

And as mentioned, that's not factoring in your million plus people <65 that are not double-vaxxed. The death rate should be much lower for them, but it's not nothing, and even a low rate will add up when taken from over a million.

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You don't think this is because the non-boosted vulnerable are dying? So you're shooting down my theory?
Honestly, I have no idea. That likely is a factor. But my point is, that doesn't have to be the only answer.
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02-16-2022 , 12:37 AM
I know it doesn't have to be the only answer, just saying seems likely to me at this point that a lot of vulnerable olds who are "fully vaxxed" but not boosted must be dying

I guess it is possible that isn't true but I dunno, #'s at 60% of peak deaths (pre vaccine) is crazy high to me
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02-16-2022 , 12:48 AM
Could be. If it helps, here's some data on hospitalization from our province, that covers Dec 14-Jan 14; it appears that hospitalization rates are cut approximately in half with a booster shot. Whether the effect is the same for death rates, I couldn't say:

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