You forgot blood thinners and a couple of other things. no they were not disproven. in fact thats what any rational doctor would give to their patients in other parts of the world. that information didn't make it to the USA though. because you know, let's stick to the guidelines, which made less and less sense over time.

I can show you a conversation (video below) where a prominent doctor says if they had the green light for those treatments they would have prevented 85% of icu, and 50% fatality numbers for the USA alone.

I also have video with 4 doctors that say, if information had not been repressed from them they would have saved half of covid deaths in the USA alone. They are talking about the type of virus it is. That's another subject but also stresses the many mistakes that were made by current leadership.

@ganstaman, why are they terribly trustworthy? because they come from a group of about 5000 doctors in the USA? who don't share your view on all things? let me tell you something, they don't all believe in the same things and they are not all idiots, in fact they are probably the opposite of any idiot when it comes to science and medicine.

Rand Paul is (or was) one of their members.

Here you can read an atlantic article on the group. i strongly suggest you forget about politcal positions and believes and focus on facts and science.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-again/607015/

Some questions just answer themselves.

That does bring up pretty much the concluding question to the person doing all the research on YouTube that nobody else here will click. What if 0% of what is said there is not accurate, but is instead messaging made for political and monetization purposes? On that note, I offer the researcher a new topic to dig into - research Douglas Frank - a "math" teacher who wears silly bow ties and has proven in his mind that the 2020 election results were a fake. There should be no end of "math" videos to consume and merch to purchase from a variety of fringy sources in that rabbit hole, so the researcher should thank me in advance for this opportunity, but has no requirement to do that.

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin were used in the US for quite a while easily on until studies showed they weren't good. This was about science, not God-given guidelines.

I can show you people saying all sorts of crazy, untrue things too. I don't know what the point of that would be, though.

Do you have evidence that these doctors are getting silenced and jailed in those other places, or are you just taking this guy's word for it? Because anyone can say anything on the Internet, but if they don't have the evidence to back it up there's no reason to believe them. He could just as easily have said that the doctors were being abducted by aliens.

Your statement also raises the question, if all of these docs are being silenced, how in the hell is this video up on YouTube? Shouldn't it have been removed or censored by 'the regimes'?



Sure, so let's see the numbers and data in an actual scientific paper so we can evaluate them. And evaluate the manner in which the data were collected as well to make sure it was done in a non-biased fashion. Unless and until docs like this are willing to do that they're just blowing hot air.

This is also the case with ivermectin. Although the antivax crew will make claims that there are studies that's show it's effective when you drill down on them you see quickly that, for the ones that aren't just completely bogus, the rest usually involve subject groups that were likely to have good results from Covid even if untreated. Which isn't a surprise because in most places the people most susceptible to COVID are older and have pre-existing health issues, and the vast majority of those have been vaxxed and boosted in most places. So finding healthy subjects that are unvaxxed and unboosted AND haven't had covid yet, AND are somehow likely to get it, would prove to be a challenge at this point.

But the antivaxers need a way to justify their nonsense - i.e. 'we don't need to vax because there's a treatment out there called ivermectin that cures covid etc etc.' - so the nonsense around it continues to percolate.

just a few days ago I was talking to an antivax friend and he was trying to tell me that the new Pfizer pill is basically rebranded ivermectin. I didn't really challenge him on it during the call, but a quick google later showed that that whole notion had been thoroughly debunked months ago. But of course an antivaxer wouldn't bother looking for articles like that, because once they find something that matches their prexisting bias they refuse to go any further. Just part of what it takes to be in a cult, I guess.

washoe says Hi!

Is this the Covid thread or the HIV thread?

Both

Still needs some Bigfoot in the mix for flavor.

Most of the people are completely ignorant to the fact that the cdc is compromised.
Honesty, how many times do you guys want to fall on your asses? The last example of how compromised the cdc is only a few month ago, when they created the next generation of heroin junkees (now fentanyl)

You guys just won't get it. And I don't care if you don't want to hear the truth or If I get a time out again.

The CDC is compromised, you don't need dr. Robert Malone to tell you that. (Last rogan video I posted) Just look around you. How many patients receive the treatment they actually need vs the treatment that makes the industry the most money?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33624299/

These are the current studies on both antivirulant medicines. The conclusions are inconclusive apparently.

However:

When dealing with a pandemic there are 4 pillars.
Reducing the spread- early treatment - Hospitalizations- and last- vaccinations

They completely ignored the early treatment pillar. That is even in the books of the cdc, but they iust ignored it.

Why? Because they are idiots, just as per usual. As we seen in the history of medicine. There was always some type of f up and we are seeing it again and again and again. But you guys want to ignore and not hear the truth.

So, let me ask you this question, What were the people in India given to crush the virus? It wasn't the vaccine. It was a treatment package. Only history will tell again, I'm afraid.

If I was a doctor I would give to my family, these medicines if covid gets bad: and again this cam change and has better chances than hitting the ICU and just die. The goal should be to prevent that.

Ivermectin,( antivirulant treatments)
Steroids
Blood thinners

Again I'm an idiot, I have to do more research and talk to more doctors before I do this. But yeah that's what those 5000 American doctors advice now, plus Malone.

History will tell again.
Don't bet against a medical f up!
We have seen those repeatedly if not regularerly through history. Sorry for telling you the truth. Nobody wants to hear the truth apparently.

India has vaccinated over a billion of it’s citizens.

Washoe I absolutely believe that the cdc and other gov't arms are compromised in very dangerous ways. I've written about here.

I also believe Trump was right in playing to the idea of the 'MSM being Fake News'. He understood well that people felt for a while they were being manipulated by it.


That said, that has opened the door to grifters, liars and other bad people to say and do very bad things while hiding under the failings of those institutions when it is simply not true.


Most of the stuff you are posting falls in that realm. A legion of grifters and liars who are trying to profit financially or politically in these areas and using as cover 'you can't trust the gov't or media... trust me'.


I can post all sorts of people swearing the earth is flat, and that does not make them credible nor it true.

Yeah, so? You forgot to mention that they had to come up with their own vaccine. Because our holy saviours, the pharmas didn't want to share their patent and did not care about other people's lifes only about their profit.

And you also need to know their population is at a illiteracy rate of almost 80%, never heard about social distancing, vaccines etc and are still crushing us with our fancy medicine. (Acc to Dr Malone and rogan) history will tell if they are right.

So if we understand you correctly.
Private sector in health care is very bad and US government should take over like all other develop countries ?

I know you know and understand a lot if things and speak up from time to time despite making enemies. And I appreciate you for you open words and you are usually a great source of inspiration.


homeboy Biden and fauci are tanking and that is because people see the lies they make while looking straight in the eye.

This is no longer some dumb lying flat earthers. These are accomplished medical experts that are getting silenced and extorted to comply, or else their career is finished. They are dictating you what to do and what to think. That is very concerning to me and other people.

We are not stupid. If anyone is stupid it's fauci believing everyone is that stupid. He will probably go down in the history books as the greatest grifter ever.

The WHO is heavily compromised as well, can anyone double check this pls? The ccp is funding it to about 50% according to a few sources I heard. How the f is that supposed to work out if that is true? No wonder all this mass confusions occured.

Why is the WHO bootlicking the ccp? They are buying up more and more power. And some grifters are just filling their pockets.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17...eadly-results/

I just found this article through Google. I get that it's called the federalist and I don't like it. In fact I don't like that the whole right is taking up this subject. The dems are just riding along grifting.

Oh FML politics are just crazy. I will stop for a while posting here because I need to focus on getting my life back. These idiots are just not doing what is right imo and are invading everyone's lifes with their bs.

The problem with this is, u give a lot of power to Biden and Fauci to be able to dictate the entire world on what its true or not....
it is not like what they are saying is different in every other place on the planet.
in some places its even worst...

its like biden is accused of being almost a ****** with alzeihmer while at the same time being some kind of a sith lord being able to subdue every government on the planet ....

not logical.

Companies deciding over life and death and buying up power are about as dangerous as it gets imo.

Us healthcare is the worst of them all, yes. Everyone knows this.

Well fauci was bootlicking the ccp, and holding up everyone for month didn't he? A lot of things could have been prevented.

You said India was using a “treatment package” and not vaccines which is simply false. And no, 80% of India is not illiterate. They also are not “crushing” anything. They are likely massively underreporting deaths.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...al-counts-show

Pls do me favour and Google India illiteracy rate.

We are talking about a recent event. When modi and Biden had some kind of secret deal. (Listen to the first minutes of the last Rogan/ Malone video I posted )

I say let the free market decide.

If treatment is more profitable than the cure, then that is a good thing.

The problem with that approach is monetarily the value of derp lives is pretty low in reality, when by standard math (what is a human life worth) it might be valued higher. Probably not the worst idea to see past derps avoiding proper medicine (as they visit the farm feed stores and such for their medications) when doing the math.

Anyways, this thread has devolved into washoe's little version of "Unsolved Mysteries" so how about we all let him do his thing, because I genuinely want to see the Bigfoot issue resolved as he promised.

Google says India has a LITERACY rate of around 80%. Think of how much your other “research” must be flawed when you make mistakes like that which are obviously wrong to anyone with basic common sense.