My wife (immunology PhD) won't fact check for me anymore "if it's for that Toothache fellow".......

Maybe in principle but you happen to be incorrect because they're testing opening up before young people have the option to get vaccinated.

We're jabbing 40+ in the UK at the moment

Hmmm seems the CNN host on that piece confused me as she said 'the partygoers tested clear for covid but were not necessarily vaccinated', which I took to mean some where vaccinated and some not.

I thought the idea was to simulate what a post vaccine world, where a percent of the populace refused vaccination might look like if had them interacting with vaccinated folk? If the vaccinated folk would create a type of fire buffer zone that would stop spread anyway?

I could see that type of test as valuable especially for the US where about 30% may remain unvaccinated.

I see little value in what these events are trying to discern otherwise. They now just seem irresponsible to me. I mean is the goal to simply see if 'recently tested folk sometimes can still transmit'?

I mean, we know that answer. A certain percent of 'recently tested' would have got a false result and be infectious turning that type of indoor, high energy event into a likely super spreader.

Some people will be older and over 95% of 50+ have had at least one jab. Almost no-one < 40 has as it's not available except for a few jobs/needs. That;s changing but they've only just included below 45.

There are a seres of events and the purpose is to compare different ventilation, testing, mask wearing, movement control etc protocols
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...arch-programme

Its out.
Cannot argue with a single statement.

I've only got 3 minutes in and it's already awful. The idea of do no harm in medical treatment has never applied to political measure because it can't. Ypu can't do anything like clinical trials before deciding on the political response to a pandemic. It would always mean doing nothing when there's an emergency.

btw does he ever address his rather important mistake about excess deaths from our last discussion?

Lee hasn't been published in any medical journals. He is One Man's Opinion. Full Stop

The hippocratic oath? Do you actually want to argue? Its rather telling that you cant watch the entirety. Like i done told your dumb ass, the answer is: congivite disdoance. Im going to bounce now knowing ****ing full well that i am and will be on thee right side of history...pick a single ****ing statement number 1. Number 2 argue why the premise is false. Do that ill listen. If you want ad hominem remarks to counter, then, clearly you are not on my level and on the precise wrong side of history.

There is no hippocratic oath in politics - and for good reason. He is pulling the wool over your eyes.

I respodned in full last time and you never addressed his fundamental mistake abut excess deaths. Ball is in your court.

The guy seems more than reasonable. It's exactly what some other doctors I met are saying.

He says that most of the excess death are due to lockdowns and poorer healthcare.

And here it comes, and if it's correct it a big thing:
They are polling together 2 flue peaks from 2 seasons, which they never did, for the covid excess rates. So they basically inflated the numbers to make it look more dangerous and scary. Listen carefully what he says about the excess rates. Min 15.50.

I mean, I lol'd

If people are interested in his case then a far better source imo is Professor Sunetra Gupta who is actually an expert and seem to me to be more interested in facts and reason than selling their pet theory. I'm more in the prof Ferguson camp but she is well worth listening to.

here's a fluffy intro piece but google offers many more serious hits : https://www.spearswms.com/sunetra-gu...-liquid-lunch/

When you decide to travel from a country with the strictest lockdowns Boo Hoo.

What reason would essential travel be required?

But he won't publish and subject himself to peer review, and makes a YouTube instead? Color me skeptical.

Who is the 'they' in this conspiracy?

It can be difficult to take you seriously lozen but here goes nothing


People travel for essential reasons; not everyone is in india for the exotic cuisine. In fact I bet some of those citizens have been there since before the pandemic. Shame on them. People travel for work, family emergencies, medical care, to name a few essential reasons. If you want to punish these super spreading pricks with extortion quarantine costs that is one thing. But to block them entirely from returning to their OWN country is just gross and how it is legal is beyond me

Are 'we' better than this?

And by 'we' I mean the typical Trumpster type?

You anti vaxxers are allright

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgxx...-in-the-desert

Didn't know you came here to report to your superiors everytime you lost an argument over at BFI.

You would get more validation in life by actually being right and not going over to where someone will pat you on your head for telling them what they like to hear.

You lied about covid situation in Quebec and Montreal not thinking someone that lives there would easily uncover your bullshit.
I am right in foresight and hindsight about the correct response.
You don't even know what words mean. Made a huge deal over the word Nothing Burger without even understanding definition of the word.
You embarrassed yourself like a middle aged man walking around with his zipper unzipped.

But its okay Cuepee. You can come here and get your head tapped like a good little puppy.

The cognitive dissonance required to think you won anything in that thread is incredible, literal insanity.

Toothsayer fanboys are a weird lot.

HUGE IF TRUE!

Hahaha wow.

there is no bigger circle jerk, back slap safe space validation forum then the BFI CoronaVirus thread.

The pro Trump, pro ToothSayer posters have a system where they mass 'report' anyone who says anything bad about Trump trying to get them banned saying the forum is not be used for Politics. And it was working.

Sadly for them when i found that forum and found Toothsayer saying the most ridiculous pro Trump stuff (even Today he regularly writes Trump should not get the blame for the lack of PPE in the stockpile. That is on Obama and Trump should not be expected to fix Obama's error) I WILL and DO counter all the pro Trump stuff.

As soon as I did the amount of tears was massive. "STOPPPPP'. And the mod
contact about 'reports' followed.

Over PM I explained to the Mod that Toothsayer is the originator of the thread and the main guy interjecting politics and that my posts being reported where REPLIES to his posts. So I was not introducing the politics, he was. I cited many examples.

The mod admitted he did not read that thread and he took my point and reviewed and found it to be accurate and I have been left alone to counter any political stuff since to the mass tears of that forum. It is delicious.


Tien is one of the main posters giving TS reacharounds.

Here is who Tien is and his reply to generally, even outside covid, if the 'old's' should be living as long as they do regardless...


Here was Tien's reply to the issue of anyone having real adverse side effects that we should be concerned about and him suggesting how you should take anyone saying they have problems while actively dealing with covid or lingering problems and side effects post a bout of covid.



Tien's entire lens is based on 'how minor his case was thus it is laughable that anyone else has it any harder'.


This is the typical BFI poster. They cannot see beyond their self absorption and everything is reflection of themselves. "I had an easy case... thus all cases must be easy... thus anyone complaining must be fat, lazy or lying'

(Tien will now run back to the BFI, and likely avoid replying here, to a welcoming circle jerk where they will tell him he owned the guys in the Politics forum)

My dude, the whole point of keeping TS contained in BFI is that the rest of us don’t have to wade through his diarrhea in other forums.

QP, Tien....

Please argue back in the Toothy thread. Conversation there is kinda special and we would like to keep it there.

(Tien, do you still play poker? Your "Raise That S!!T Up" post was inspirational for me.)

Ya sorry. I was not yet posting on this forum when whatever happened with him, happened and although I was given a partial recap, I still do not fully understand the dynamic or prohibition or whatever it is now.