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Originally Posted by lozen
Canada's protests were actually pretty big but masks were worn . Canada other than Quebec has done a very good job. You had both Conservative, Liberal and NDP provincial leaders do a great job. Federally the financial support was there . I get why Florida and Texas are spiking but what other reason do you see for California? Was there a mask resistance. They had one of the tighter shutdowns.
I think goofy posted about this some, and I will not pretend to be an expert on California, but a good amount of the cases are in a specific area where things were much wider open and a ton of the 21-44 were partying like crazy day after day.
I get why the "its never Trump's fault" people will latch onto BLM as their go to reason, but the huge BLM rallies in Canada and in better managed states had almost no impact on the numbers. Its not like the virus is more contagious to different BLM supporters, so while BLM is likely not a zero effect - it just is not the reason why new cases in a city like El Paso (600,000) are the same as the amount in the Canadian province of Ontario (population 15 million).
Seems some of the never Trumps fault/ he was perfect (not saying you are a card carrying member - though you definitely have political bias in your posts on this topic) are cherry picking numbers to try to make what is happening in the US (literally spreading out of control) seem not that important, while also ignoring the real factors that are likely behind it (bars and nightclubs open all day / huge parties happening with no masks) while locking in on the one gathering (BLM) to suit their needs.
As I said, at least Smudgy has been a charge head first into the virus guy from the beginning. Probably not the best choice, but to his odd credit, he stands behind it. These other ones just try to dance around the issue. Just say "screw it, live with the virus and move on" if that is how they feel, and add that they do not care if its bars open - bars need to be open so don't go (as if communal transmission ends at the bar) if you are afraid. Party!!!!
If Trump loses, and hopefully he does, then while it will not fix anything it will be mildly amusing (and sad) to see all the people that were under him talk about how it was all his fault all along. No idea what some of the people here will do then. Can't say I deeply care.
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Originally Posted by lozen
I think the Mask thing is huge. I just do not get the resistance. You wear a seatbelt, stores require shoes and a shirt.
Honestly, this one is Trump. He hates masks, so those in his party have to do that dance with him. Some are starting to politely separate from him on the mask issue as he goes on and on about saving a statue somewhere, but the whole politicization of masks is Trump as he enabled and nurtured that belief structure all along.
Some will talk about the confusing messages, and there probably is a bit of something at work in that they knew masks were good early on, but said don't wear one out of fear of the supply being decimated at the time, but money drives people and now the mask industry is a thing. One can even see ads for mask makers on Brightbart next to threads where people scream they will put a mask on their face over their cold dead body, without any irony.
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Originally Posted by lozen
No ones blaming Obama for 9/11
Obviously a bit of hyperbole there, though I bet some people would say it. Lots blame him for this virus. Trump tried that a lot, but I suspect blaming China just became easier. Still a shame that blaming "geography" seems to be a non starter, as it would be fun to see people trying to do that!
All the best.