Realistically Dylan is probably an AGP, not exactly fake but not exactly real either-- sort of quasi.

Your "point" is that you don't like some internet celeb because they aren't "authentic (i.e., heteronormative)" enough for your taste. Why anyone should give a **** is something you haven't explained.

Its a completely normal thing to do. It's like if I say I think Elizabeth warren isn't native, am I racist towards natives? I haven't analyzed her blood. Maybe she is. I think she's full of **** tho and its laughable to think I'm a bigot for that.

Whats the issue with making statements based on feels, this is a ****ing poker site.

Its not the subject. I don't know what your complaint is.

I would assume that you post in a political forum in an attempt to sway people to think as you do. Feels don’t normally work well here. Well reasoned thoughts and analysis can be persuasive. People pointing out your feels on issues makes you appear to be a stupid bigot and you simply regurgitating old Fox News tropes such as Elizabeth Warrens ancestry in response doesn’t exactly disprove their point.

My feels indicate you are a childless single male who has no experience educating kids who thinks he can determine the validity of a persons gender declaration by evaluating her smile. You also believe without any factual basis that she will confirm your feels in the future. Sounds pretty stupid doesn’t it.

do you think Elizabeth warren is native like she claims?
You like others haven't given your opinion. I think things change when you are forced opine. You aren't participating, you are shitting on someone's character. You are saying 'your thoughts are dumb' without saying what the correct thoughts are.

You want to say I can't determine the validity of a persons gender declaration by evaluating their smile. One sure COULD depending on the situation , I don't think anyone will disagree.

But more to the point, I am asking you if you think that we should take peoples gender declaration at face value with no scrutiny. Answering that question is the hard part. Joining a clique ignoring the hard part, and calling me a bigot, is the easy ignorant thing to do. Thats the question I'm addressing.

If someone said they were a Baptist would you take them at face value?

I was looking for that word...Autogynephilia
I couldn't remember it. My understanding is that lia thomas is a self admitted .Autogynephile. And we can use a hypothetical too if there is no accepted evidence of the truth of this. I wonder if people here think that its kinda of demented for an Autogynephile to then push their way into woman's locker rooms and women's spots. I think this is what allows me to allows suggest, that lia is a Narcissist:

That it would ever make sense that the entire body of woman's sport should be made to change its nature and feel uncomfortable because of a fetish.

I think teaching anyone to take anyone at face value is a dangerous thing and simply opens one up for exploitation. Thats why I sympathize with those that simplify the movement down to grooming.

You really need to learn to read more carefully. I've never said you were a bigot for your thoughts on Dylan. As for it being completely normal to simply state that someone is lying when you have no way of knowing that they are or not, sadly yes, that is becoming normal. If that's the bar you set for yourself, well, I guess that's a "you problem".

Oh, that makes perfectly good sense. This is a poker forum, so it should be cool to just assert anything we like as fact.

jjjou812 hits it on the head IMO:

Which of course you dance around.

You did it again tho. You gave your sentiments on my character, but you didn't put in any of your own opinions on the subject such that they can be scrutinized in contrast to mine.

You are implying sentiments but not stating them. so no one can address whether you are right wrong in contrast to me.

Should we be taking peoples gender identity at face value... its a simply question that if you answer we can then judge ur critics.

You can decide for yourself who to take at face value, like we all do. Is this really a difficult concept? I will take some statements and assertions that some people make at face value, and others I won't, like pretty much every human being (except maybe Luckbox). But if I suspect someone is not being truthful about a personal matter that I have no way of knowing for sure, I definitely won't jump on a forum and state as fact that they are lying because of the way they smile and other random observations. Especially when it's something as low stakes as whether a social media personality is or isn't transgender. Why you think this is important enough to do so, I won't bother to speculate on.

What a very sad way to live.

I'll take plenty at face value... It's just stuff that appears in media that we should be skeptical about, fwiw.

Fair enough, my apologies for throwing you under the bus there.

I wouldn't understand how we can't admit its normal to call a celebrity out for their fakeness. I think the trend today is that if that celebrity is trans or claiming to be then its some form of a social hate crime


You definitely need to adopt scrutiny for proper survival in this world. The sadder way to live would be what you are saying which is to not scrutinize people and take them at their face value. society would destroy you.

Its often talked about in regard to politics as Warren has claimed she is native all her life when it seems evidence suggests otherwise. She's using 'anti-racism' to hide behind her lies.

No, I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Perhaps you didn't mean to word this the way you did:

But if that's actually what you meant, then it does sound like a sad way to live, and I say that without "saying which is to not scrutinize people and take them at their face value". Because what you've said is that we should never take people at face value. There's a lot of room in between never doing it, and always doing it.

Now if you actually meant "I think teaching anyone to take everyone at face value always is a dangerous thing and simply opens one up for exploitation. ", that would make a lot more sense.

I'm not sure the distinction you mean to make. I think that for some people, that have problems with the critical thinking, they directly or indirectly argue that we should always treat people as who they say they are, and identify as.

This would be bad conditioning. We should always scrutinize everyone. such scrutiny is necessary for survival.

In contrast there are people that will teach you not to scrutinize certain others, or all others, and this is detrimental framework to teach and to adopt.

Is it okay if I scrutinize you and assume you have horrible motives?

You know you're going to do that anyway

Wait a minute:
Weren't you arguing in another thread that you couldn't be sure of anything that occurred before you were sentient at 4 years old, not even your parents telling you your date of birth?

Back that bus up over here.

No I wasn't arguing that. Someone asked me about it and I was forced to admit that I couldn't be sure. That doesn't mean that I don't assume that it's all true, and I do in fact take my date of birth at face value and don't assume that I'm being lied to.

I would agree with that my conclusion is that your thoughts are dumb. In fact, I think they are so dumb that I would be embarrassed to keep repeating them as you do. I think you just keep digging a deeper hole for yourself. Just admit you are a dumb bigot and get on with telling us why you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I don't care if Elizabeth Warren was native American 12 years ago or today. I do think it's stupid that you believe this is an important point to discuss.


And to answer your question, I am asking you if you think that we should take peoples gender declaration at face value with no scrutiny?
If the "we" in your question is should the govt or medical community take their gender determination at face value, the answer is no, if their sex/gender is relevant. So for instance, it's relevant if you are going to prison or getting a pap smear. If the "we" is the general public, the answer is yes. Do you go around questioning people about the validity of their ethnicity or race because you feel they don't look dark, light or ethnic enough? And if you do, what would you require as a bare minimum of proof to raise the issue? Certainly more than she doesn't smile like a woman.

Its easy to call you a bigot when your "reasons" for calling someone fake is based on such shitty evidence as your bs feels about someone you haven't met. Like, no ****, someone isn't exactly living the life presented in their video feeds? People who post videos of themselves everyday in a bikini or anew outfit are narcissists? Is this genius level thinking on your part?

I am personally against trans athletes competing in girls sports at the high school and above level because IMHO when balancing the rights of the parties, the greatest good and least harm is the result. But I think people can declare themselves trans, trans athletes should be encouraged to engage in sport and no one should be **** on because of their gender.

I DGAF that bud hired a trans celebrity during pride month nor GAF about talentless Kid Rock's opinions on my choice of beer to consume.

Yes those are ad hominem sentiments.
Do you not see the irony that you dismissed my example that regards race instead of gender of an obviously overdramatic political celebrity but then went on to introduce a generalized example of the same?

^^ you have taking my point out of context here. I meant rather 'there is nothing about the smile that confirms he is a woman to me.' (and that is seems very disingenuous.)

I think you are agreeing with me here and making fun of both of us for sharing this opinion.
ya but you said it weird, why can't trans athletes simply compete in the field of their respective biological sex. Why should lia not be allowed to swim in men's competition?

Dylan’s Day 500 video is kinda great. Of course, most of you are not her target audience. But she is extremely good at speaking to her own audience and small wonder she has grown to 10 million followers.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2pxYpc2/

I know you think using ad hominems make you sound smart but when people call you stupid for saying stupid things for stupid reasons maybe you should do some self reflection before sharing your supposed drips of wisdom with a crowd of people who disagree with you.

Sorry you think my explanation is weird. Even stated summarily, it is nuanced beyond your ability to understand. It's not simply believing people should be forced to compete with those sharing biological gender.

Just because we agree on outcome, doesn't mean we get to our conclusions the same way.

To complicate it further, I don't think all sports require a ban - some sports can make other accomodations.