This is really weird. Pointing out that the subjects of the vicious transphobic attacks we see ITT are also super high suicide risk I would think would lead someone to have a bit of humanity to maybe tone it the **** down.

We've talked previously in the various threads repeatedly about links between discrimination and violence against trans people and suicide ideation and attempts. To give just one, some data points here to consider: https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...gender-adults/

I genuinely don't know why you get so hung up when I point out the degree to which trans people are often suffering. Why the **** do you think I even care about this topic? It's not to win fake internet points. It's because real humans are really suffering. I care about that....don't you?

What? Who has ever said you were wrong/bad for saying that SOME trans people suffer from mental health issues?

Again this is normal and basic human interaction.

No the issue is you think you can call out other peoples bigotry because you think you are on the moral high ground

You have made a false scenario up and then let it lead your emotions. Think about the children.

Jordan Peterson says the suicide rates shows the concept of gender ideology and associated movement of changing your gender to suit your discomfort and disorder is the cause of higher suicide rates.


because they made the assumption that since they have the higher moral ground the data must support their view.

Lol, peterson fanboys are the best. You make sure to tidy your room and wear a bad suit too?

No lets avoid the emotion-full contentless ad hominems and have reasonable and sincere dialogue.

Weren't you the guy going around telling us how multiple trans people are narcissistic? I think you should maybe shelve the lecture on ad hominems until after your room is tidied like Peterson tells you to do.

Ah, so you are just going to try to hand wave this away.

How do you know that your instinct is leading you to the right conclusions? Instincts lead people to the wrong conclusions all the time.

HE is a clinical psychologist but wait he doesn't concur with your opinions so dismiss him and make fun of him

I don't see any rates on suicide from those that transition and regret it ? Oh right that doesnt fit this groups agenda

Yes I do care about anyone that is considering suicide

Come now, I was making fun of peterson fanboys, not peterson. Although if anyone mentioned ITT is truly deserving of the term "narcissist" I think we've found our winner!

Clearly you didn't read the link. Not that this affects the core point mentioned, which is that discrimination and violence against trans people is linked to higher rates of suicide ideation and attempts.

WE have laws in our society to protect them from that but sorry misgendering someone is not discrimination or violence

^^ what do we infer here, and what is our prescription?

^^then we want to ask is religious acceptance part of curing trans suicide rates?

Is this supporting evidence to you that Lia Thomas should be allowed to play in women sports? I mean is it ok if someone finds offense and discrimination, such that they suffer emotional damage, and therefore we must bend the rules of society to their discomfort. Thats an easy question to answer right?

Actually I did and I am curious why they would not include all statistics . Violence occurs against many groups in society and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Its not hand waving. Yes it can be wrong. This is how we live our lives with everything we do. We make probabilistic inferences. I fear anyone or any sentiments that suggest you don't use this guard/technique when it comes to someone's claim about their identity.

Yes I am that guy, and thats not an example of an ad hominem. This is:

Lets have reasonable discourse instead. I have never found it from your side.

I didn’t say you can’t but your inferences are not proof of anything. I don’t think the people here are resisting your observation on smiling for ideological reasons but rather because it’s absurd to think you can look at a smile and make a judgement as to that person’s gender. If I showed you just the smiling mouth of a number of people, some of whom were cis women and some of whom were transwomen, do you honestly think you could determine who was who?

You asking as if its a binary question right? My contention is against someone that feels we need to take peoples word for it. That when it comes to gender identity its moral, legal, proper, logical, etc to not question motives and intentions etc. To not machievallian think, to not consider the other person to be possibly nefarious.

I'm not suggesting I am a truth teller. I am not saying I have perfect detection of the sincereness of someone's smile. I am saying it would be absurd to not take on a believe that it is wrong to evaluate someone in this regard.

And also wrong to label me a bigot and transphobic if i think that dylan is faking it for the attention.

There are various online tests you can take but I couldn't find a good one in the brief search I did last night.

Its a necessary skill. One that the poker field has helped develop. Its would be a scary world in which it was enforced legally and socially that you weren't to use it.

You do realize a majority of the trans community and I mean the QT2SI of LGBQT2SI movement have no interest in discussing trans in women's sports, locker rooms or children receiving medications that castrate them or life altering surgery for minors

You must accept all of these or your anti trans or trans phobic . Their attitude is shut up and drink Bud Light

Shocking to hear that a person in showbiz is a narcissist.

I don't know what the stats are but I realize that plenty of trans persons don't act ******ed and mean to simply live a normal life. Thats nothing to argue against.

I'm not anti-trans. Its more what we might usefully call as marxist. But we can name it whatever, it needs to be defined.

I think probably that dylan was planted by competition who saw an exploit. Who would think this would help sales? Its funny because the left, if I can call them that, I think mean to skirt the subject and instead imply that bud light did it because its the right thing to do.

but who would argue it would increase sales? no one.

Agreed but its that a certain % that do that hurt it for everyone and would include the trans athletes in that as well as the extreme protesters I would also say folks like Dylan Mulvaney hurt the movement or ideology

Are you actually saying that you think some beer company told Dylan to pretend to be trans for years so that she could be picked up to do an ad by Bud Lite in order to tank their sales?