Ok but it helps me understand that we at least see there is such a category of person. I just read the dylan situation like I try to read everyone else for various reason. They seem insincere, blatantly.

I don't know why we say zero evidence. If i know trans people that I think are sincere, especially if they seem to clearly have gender dysphoria, because I have seen this too, but then sometimes I see people how just seem to be using the trend for attention and call that insincere thats bigotry?

You think I just randomly decided without evidence that some trans I meet are faking it?

Well to accept dylan is a woman, you would have to basically accept something such as 'women aren't real'. And I think people need help with the logic in this regard.

this is just a 20 year old meme that fox news is getting angry over

If a person says they are a woman then they're a woman, just like if a person says they're a Protestant than they're a Protestant. It's just a belief system.

What is a Women?

Just kidding

What makes Dylan a woman is that Dylan says she is. I don't generally assume people are just lying when they talk, so this is sufficient for me. Looking at how someone talks or runs or smiles to determine if they are a woman is just so bizarrely ignorant to me.

Yes, that sounds about right.

Thats not how words and nature work at all.

Words work how people say they work.

To be clear what you are affirming is that I somehow repeatedly RANDOMLY (because without evidence) decide some trans are faking.

This means its literally just a x% I do this too. And to be clearer that wouldn't be transphobic, because the other 100-x% I would be fine with in this regard. I would have a different intellectual disorder/error if I was doing that.

Its wholly untrue of me. But I think that some people here don't realize that they mean to argue that you shouldn't judge people in this regard...of course we should, its proper survival to judge the sincerity of others, and teaching people that its immoral to do so, is to condition people to be exploitable to nefarious individuals.

You don't see anything wrong this statement?

I don't think you mean to say that something is what they say they are in any moment they say that they are.

But some people are lying when they talk, I'm sure you agree on that. And then some people will exploit this movement, and not have gender dysphoria.

Its dylan that feels this is a thing that is true, not me. I also agree is bizarrely ignorant and I think its also narcissistic.

Yes, people will get hurt if you don't point out that Dylan's smile is too wide to look like a woman's smile to you. No wait, I have that backwards. People will actually get hurt when you put these judgmental words out there. Trans people are discriminated against and hear your message clearly.

So with that logic Why cant a White person say their Asian and Why cant I be a Billy Goat

Thats not clear enough tho. There is a whole range of types of peoples in the scope of your sentiments. There are people that almost no one would argue about. They were born ambiguous. There are also those whose gender is not so physiologically ambiguous and of those people that just adopt a different gender because its trendy. There are those that have gender dysphoria in this regard and those that don't actually.

There are narcissists like Lia thomas that will exploit it. I don't expect to treat all of these people the same, simple because they identify as such. Thats not how words work, its an intellectual error to treat them as tho it is.

I think that there is a growing movement to treat words and nature like this and its logically inconsistent and easy to show as such.

Irregardless* of what you think, how could it be any other way?




*See what I did there.

It's because Asians and BIlly Goats are real.

I'm sure your soul reads are based on concrete evidence.

Shouldn't we be definitely wary of people exploiting the trend tho? Do you mean to argue that everyone's identity should be taken at face value ie if they say they are then they are whenever they say they are? I don't think you mean to argue that.

Do you guys think it's ever possible to tell if a person is being fake?

Why the loaded language? Why immediately attack everyone's motive?

No, there's no particular reason for you to be worried about Dylan Mulvaney. You can happily go back to whatever you're doing, it's going to be fine.

I mean to question the idea of giving everyone a pass simply based on their claims. I think that would be a dangerous culture to foster and I think dylan does it purposefully and maliciously.

I'm not very concerned about the particular person, thats my opinion on their charade tho. I think what will eventually likely happen is they admit they were just obsessed with the subject and thought it would be fun to play along. I think some here are fine with that being the reason to have to call someone certain pronouns and I think some don't realize that is what they are arguing for.

You were not being "wary", you weren't saying there was some small chance that Dylan was faking it for money, you were asserting this as a fact that they were insincere/charade/obsessed/playing along/etc.

I bet you'd pull a crowd

Yes I believe that. I think we should in general be wary about anyone in this regard. Or in other words we shouldn't be professing a culture of blind trust.