What are these necessary traits of a woman that you don't see in her, or what are the traits you do see that tell you she must be a man?

There was something I saw when Dylan first came to my intention where she was running in a very stereotypical "running like a girl" fashion. It seemed pretty clearly exaggerated-- not that I'm in an expert on how people are supposed to look when running, but I think it would be hard for anyone to run like that without intentionally trying. And the impression was that Dylan was running that way in order to seem like a girl, i.e., playing off stereotypes to seem more feminine and I'm guessing it's this sort of behavior that Jbouton is talking about.

Wow, no detail escapes this guy.

I can't really tell you about things that don't exist. There's no woman traits exhibited. Just things you would caricature as a woman. Like saying things like "ohhhhh mmmaaaaaa ghawwwddd!"

That would be something dylan does.

No he is a man. Thats a ****ing ******ed question

Is this how women smile?

Tbf it's not how anyone smiles

LOL.

As a bad take this is so minor but seems so unhinged at the same time.

Jbouton is a great example of how ****ing hard it must be to be a trans kid in the US. Because there definitely is an ******* like him at every school thinking he is so funny to be shitting on the trans person.

This is the cost of trans visibility.

No i dont **** on trans people. I have friends that are trans. I don't **** on them. And they are great people I find it telling you would **** on me for being a bigot for simply pointing out that dylan is exploiting people like you.

Dylan is a very insincere human. And its insincere to use their persona to try to and pin me as a bigot.

Not a chance that you could both have trans friends and also think that Dylan is a phony. You aren't fooling anyone here.

Is it possible to determine what someone - anyone - is like from their TikTok persona?

Of course it is

No, but apparently we have to just accept and believe in what they tell us they are.

You can however tell someone is narcissist by the totality of who they present as. Lia Thomas is a good example. Someone that feels they have the priveleage to trample on peoples dreams in order to fulfill a fetish.

Dylan is another example. There is nothing sincere in their actions:

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/statu...33647667859456

Thats not what it means to be a woman, its not how women act-its a mockery of how women act. I'm even fine with people being/acting how dylan is. Float your boat. But their persona and profile bleeds narcissism and I dont' think that is good leadership for the youth or anyone.

Put another way, he's a transwoman, not a woman. Its completely fine, but they are not the same thing. And it makes NO SENSE that he would inherit things that are inherited by women, simply because he identifies as such.

I'm calling you a bigot because you are being blatantly bigoted. This is a perfect example of the cost of trans visibility, that if someone tells their authentic truth and shares it on tiktok, if they become big enough to be noticed by conservatives than all these people come out of the wood work claiming they are insincere and faking it etc etc. It's a price one pays. And it is a price many much less prominent trans kids are paying in schools everywhere when bigoted kids act exactly as you are acting to them.

Uke,

Do you think it's possible that some people on TikTok might be less than authentic?

Women act however they want to act -- you don't get to decide what behaviors dictate one's gender. You clearly don't like Dylan's behaviors, but I don't know why you tie that to her gender. Have you never met a cis woman who acted as more of an internet personality and smiled broadly?

Sure. I have a bigger social media presence than most for my side hustle and am not always 100% myself. That said, I think there is basically zero reason to doubt that Dylan Mulvaney is indeed trans.

Yeah that was the question I was going to ask. I remember first seeing Dylan when Biden won I do believe when she visited the Whitehouse . I found her to be very flamboyant not like a typical women . Even with the Bud light fiasco I wondered if she was doing it for the cash (10 million followers I believe) and tons of marketing deals. Ill give her the benefit of the doubt but its not unrealistic for someone to portray something for cash . As well she does not act like a typical women more a flamboyant drag queen . All the power to her
Bud will never recover and its folks right to boycott the product just as its the lefts right to boycott the My Pillow guys product.

I don't think we are disagreeing as much as you think. I would say that nothing dylan is doing makes him a woman.

I think if I asked you, what are the things he is doing, that are traits, that we can identify as being 'of a woman' such that, since he is also exhibiting these traits, we would declare he is a woman (at least in regard to the trait observed).

I suspect you aren't willing to argue for any such traits. If you aren't, I think then you default to agreeing with me, that there is nothing about dylan that makes him a woman.

You get that she didn't have 10 million followers when she started out sharing her transition journey on tiktok right? Very very few trans people get big enough that they can make big product placement deals with established brands. So yes, the money might be coming in now, but it definitely wouldn't have at the beginning.

You have implied here that there is the possibility that someone in dylans shoes could be faking it.

In other words I want to ask if you feel that there is a possibility or definition or persona that someone could have where they act like dylan but aren't trans.

Like a crossdresser, or drag. If dylan later says he was just experimenting with the idea....we would agree then he wasn't trans?

Lol, don't try to play that game. You were the bigot who asserted a trans woman was insincere on zero evidence. That is transphobia pure and simple. That there is a hypothetical possibility that someone CAN fake things - despite zero reason to suspect it in this case - doesn't remove one iota the responsibility for your hateful words.

What are the observable traits of any woman that allows you to declare them a woman?

Well I wouldn't think dylan is a good example for children, trans children or not trans children. I don't think taylor swift is either. I also don't think Eliot page is either. I think she has a mental problem, and an intelligence problem, and I think it will probably eventually come to light:

You missed my intention with my words. I don't claim anything in this regard. And I don't need to. People want to claim dylan is a woman, and I ask, by what traits have you decided this?

Because I don't think thats how 'womanhood' works.

And then you ask 'well by what traits do YOU JBOUTON define a woman'.

And I repeat I don't think thats how womanhood works. And like I said to ganstaman, if you aren't able to argue for specific 'woman' traits then you seem to agree with me.

There aren't any traits that make a person a woman because...........women aren't real.