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Independent of their gender identity, this person comes across as very narcissistic and attention seeking, and frankly it is very easy to see why a lot of people would be offended. And this is independent of the "trans" issue.

ya i think he's making fun of women, and I think in the future he will come out to admit it.

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They are flamboyant but come off across a lot more genuine and respectful. IMO, if Bud Light had gone with them instead of Mulvaney I think this might have gone very differently.

I think competitor got into the company as a mole and set this up for negative PR.

I also think if we aren't free to make and express these observations then we are living back pre-machievellian times. Dark ages.

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07-03-2023 , 02:33 PM

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ya i think he's making fun of women, and I think in the future he will come out to admit it.

I think competitor got into the company as a mole and set this up for negative PR.

I also think if we aren't free to make and express these observations then we are living back pre-machievellian times. Dark ages.

Lol. Every bit of this is conspiracy on top of conspiracy nonsense, mixed with misgendering and then crocodile tears about how you aren't allowed to express your bigoted observations. Sadly, any time a trans person is out there will be jbouton types who presume that no they are really just faking it to, uh, checks notes, make fun of women.

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07-03-2023 , 03:23 PM

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I don't need to be dragged down new rabbit holes today, and yet here I am.

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How the hell is "folks" a word that requires alteration for inclusivity?

uke, to understand the Bud Light outrage, you gotta turn your sophistication knob down a little bit. 99.99% of society is not as woke as you are, and thus your perspective is skewed.

I think I've decided that this is what separates the LBGT+ movement from other tiny minorities who believe weird stuff, like say Scientologists. Tom Cruise isn't out there on the streets every day ripping into non-scientologists for using words in the fashion they were originally intended. They keep it inside the clubhouse.

Gays commandeered an existing word that didn't see widespread use. It may have even started out as a slur, sort of like "queer" was definitely a slur and then was adopted by the community as a self-descriptor. Trans people are out there changing the definition of man and woman and that's just a bridge too far for most. Words have meaning, until they don't. Society has managed to beat the word "literally" into such an unrecognizable mess that they quite literally added a new and contradictory meaning in our official dictionary. Some words are more resilient than others.

Ladyboys have been a thing in Thailand for how long now? People are generally cool with it, right? Though, that could be a Buddhism thing. They probably think it's a form of divine punishment for past transgressions. Don't kick a man when he's down, so to speak. Still, they didn't try to use the existing words for the sexes, they created a third. I admit I have no idea if the ladyboy thing goes both ways, though.

Is nobody going to mention the terrible photoshop job on Dylan's profile photo? It's like someone shopped his head onto the body of an 8 year old. Where did the shoulders go?

That video is perfect for its intended purpose, which is algorithm engagement. Yeah, people looked at you because your dick was clearly showing through your shorts. If Ron Swanson wore shorts like that to get some steaks at Food and Stuff, everyone would notice. Not because they thought he was a woman, but because his dick was on display. Stop making yourself a victim.

My heart bleeds for you having to learn new definitions for words. My god, the cope on display when society changes just a teency weency little bit. You can still say folks, folx is not the only accepted word, no-one is going to get in trouble for saying folks.

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07-03-2023 , 03:45 PM

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It's the same for, say, Ellen Page

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No. I've met (and been friends with) trans people some that seem obviously natural, and some that are obviously interested in the trend. I have no problem with it and they have no emotional outbursts if people don't understand or play along.

People like dylan and elliot/ellen are different. They're ******ed.

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07-03-2023 , 05:29 PM

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I meant to ask about 'elliot page' and how we refer to this person when we reference a video such as above. They seem to think that emotion trumps logic especially in regard to not wanting to debate whether or not the jessie smollet attack was a hate crime.

I just don't understand what is expected when someone identifies as 'frog-self'.

No. I've met (and been friends with) trans people some that seem obviously natural, and some that are obviously interested in the trend. I have no problem with it and they have no emotional outbursts if people don't understand or play along.

People like dylan and elliot/ellen are different. They're ******ed.

One of the consequences of fame - justly earned albeit in different ways for Elliot and Dylan - is that by being out bigots will conclude they are “****ed”. There is a whole cottage industry to find the often imagined extreme examples (like your frog-self) to try and attack any trans person who dares have prominence.

It’s sad.

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07-03-2023 , 05:56 PM

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I do have an issue with Ellen, the person at that time, trying to use accusations and sentiments of bigotry and racism in order to not discuss or debate whether or not jessie smollett faking his own victimization should be not considered a hate crime.

I think that is very unintelligent.

I also think there needs to be a way to address 'frog self pronouns' without being lumped into being someone that attacks trans people (at all).

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07-17-2023 , 08:29 PM

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Lol transformers

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Im friends with 2 trans people. one is like you describe and looking to be the victim.

the other is like an actual straight up bigot.

my concusion is that trans people are just like most people. some are pieces of ****, most arent.

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07-17-2023 , 09:51 PM

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Why would you be friends with a bigot? Sounds like a character flaw.

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07-19-2023 , 10:13 AM

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Nice posting history so far, Insane. Sorry to see you go.

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07-19-2023 , 04:42 PM

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The budlight boycott was so successful because the average person has finally had enough. They are sick & tired of having the woke agenda shoved down their throats everyday and are finally deciding to fight back.

Power to the people

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07-19-2023 , 04:47 PM

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Bud Light being completely fungible with every other light beer didn't help them either.

If people called for a Gatorade boycott it probably fails because there aren't nearly as many viable alternatives.

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07-19-2023 , 04:59 PM

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How is having a trans person advertise shoving an agenda down your throat? It's amazing that some would just rather not see that trans people even exist and drink beer.

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07-19-2023 , 05:18 PM

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Powerade and others. The others taste better too.

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07-19-2023 , 05:28 PM

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How is having a trans person advertise shoving an agenda down your throat? It's amazing that some would just rather not see that trans people even exist and drink beer.

This, but also, it was a also a sponsored post. I.e. if you followed dylan's instagram already, then you might see it. The reality is that none of these "shove down your throat" types actually saw the sponsored post, they just got outraged because someone told them to. To be clear, a regular ad on say linear TV featuring a trans person is also 100% totally fine - trans people should be allowed to exist in advertising - but it wasn't even that.

Bigots gotta bigot I guess.

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07-20-2023 , 07:21 PM

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Were you in a coma last month? “Pride” month was taken to an extreme this year.
Also, everyone saw the sponsored post. It was replayed everywhere, it went viral. I do not have Instagram, TikTok, face book, etc. and I saw it multiple times.

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07-20-2023 , 07:28 PM

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Yes, it was replayed by those who wanted others to be outraged.

What 'extreme' was pride month taken to this year? I didn't hear of any riots.

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07-20-2023 , 08:13 PM

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”it went viral”….uh weren’t you trying to complain how horrible it was that a trans person was being “shoved down your throat”. What you are mad at here is that something went viral? Heck, my guess is that “viral” part was largely the anti-trans right playing it all over your feeds to feed the outrage machine.

All this rage over a trans person being in a sponsored Instagram post? Yikes.

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07-20-2023 , 08:18 PM

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Seems to be a lot of trans stuff going on in threads here lately. I'll be honest, I haven't been paying attention. I mean, just let the man live as a woman, or the woman live as a man, or whatever. Doesn't affect me.

What is going on when they go to to jail, tho? This could be a real problem.

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What is going on when they go to to jail, tho? This could be a real problem.

This never happens though.

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07-24-2023 , 08:50 PM

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He's not trans tho, hes faking it.

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07-24-2023 , 08:57 PM

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Where? I have Twitter and I've never actually seen the ad.

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07-24-2023 , 09:03 PM

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Pride was so extreme, poor Baptists woke up with those bad dragon squirting dildos in their sock drawers, put there by the fairy fairy.

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07-25-2023 , 01:09 AM

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He's not trans tho, hes faking it.

Lol at the bad soul read attempts by the bigots ITT.

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07-25-2023 , 01:19 AM

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Lol at the bad soul read attempts by the bigots ITT.

Well would you agree the traits he's exhibiting are that of a woman? I think its a mockery of what you could paint as being a woman. I don't see any traits of being a woman in the persona. Do you disagree?

I highly doubt you are willing to claim the exaggeration of his traits are that which make him a woman.

Or is it just drag and there is a different act going on?

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