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I support unisex everything. I think most of the awkwardness is cultural and would go away if people didn't grow up with the cultural hangups.

Although I actually think it would be better not to have urinals in public restrooms either. I use them because I don't want to wait extra time, but I don't particularly like urinating in public and seeing other guys do it myself.

yes sure it's cultural to be a drunk 19y woman in a bathroom vomiting with her friend and not liking the idea of 3 drunk boys entering while you are vomiting because of OBVIOUS SERIOUS RISKS

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04-29-2024 , 08:01 PM

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luciom, she's too deep in the k-hole to even be aware the boys are in the bathroom let alone care about it

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04-29-2024 , 08:02 PM

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Luciom

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luciom, she's too deep in the k-hole to even be aware the boys are in the bathroom let alone care about it

but I am not when I have to keep her up as she is my daughter

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04-29-2024 , 08:05 PM

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don't bring your daughter to the club and let her drink so much she pukes

and why are you giving her ketamine?

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04-29-2024 , 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rickroll

don't bring your daughter to the club and let her drink so much she pukes

and why are you giving her ketamine?

age of consent for everything is 18 in normal countries. I don't bring, she goes.

I won't give drugs to my children.

true, they are 11 and 8 right now (8 is the daughter), but can I ****ing care about her being a little safer when 13 or 16 or 19?

I can, and I do.

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04-29-2024 , 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Luciom

yes sure it's cultural to be a drunk 19y woman in a bathroom vomiting with her friend and not liking the idea of 3 drunk boys entering while you are vomiting because of OBVIOUS SERIOUS RISKS

Being drunk in a club when you are underage certainly is cultural and should be done away with. No one is supposed to be served to that extent, and the penalties for such should be ratcheted up until it stops happening.

If things like this are happening there should be security in the restrooms right now, because drunk guys will still go into ladies rooms.

But then I can't imagine anyone wanting to have sex with someone who is vomiting, and the stall door should be closed anyway.

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04-29-2024 , 08:18 PM

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19 is not underage in ****ing normal countries lol.

and everyone will serve you anything at night everywhere in the Mediterranean area.

are you even real? when I was 16 alcohol was infinite everywhere

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04-29-2024 , 08:19 PM

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Hopefully you're teaching them not to go out to clubs and get so drunk that they puke and are not aware of their surroundings.

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04-29-2024 , 08:22 PM

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Hmm, well it sounds like your ****ing normal countries could use a lot of change in their culturally acceptable practices.

In the US, being drunk in public is a crime, and it's a bigger crime for bars to serve drunk people, regardless of their age.

Though if someone drinks enough that they have to puke in a public place, I don't particularly care what happens to them. Society doesn't need them anymore than we need rapists and murderers. Our rules should not be catered to people who deliberately put their own lives in danger.

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04-29-2024 , 08:23 PM

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Hopefully you're teaching them not to go out to clubs and get so drunk that they puke and are not aware of their surroundings.

aside from the fact that it doesn't matter much what you teach, they do what they want anyway (it's genetics all the way down, parenting matters less than we would like it did) , you can sometimes end up puking on less alcohol than you can normally manage, depending on what you ate, the alcohol mix, and what else is going on with your body.

and people can put stuff in your glass as well.

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04-29-2024 , 08:24 PM

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Hmm, well it sounds like your ****ing normal countries could use a lot of change in their culturally acceptable practices.

Though if someone drinks enough that they have to puke in a public place, I don't particularly care what happens to them. Society doesn't need them anymore than we need rapists and murderers.

well I do. and puking isn't like being violent toward others, at all, in any possible way, and you know that, so stop the bullshitting

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04-29-2024 , 08:27 PM

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well I do. and puking isn't like being violent toward others, at all, in any possible way, and you know that, so stop the bullshitting

And do you also think that drunk men are currently prevented from going into women's bathrooms in dark clubs?

I've done it myself accidentally, and when I hadn't even been drinking.

There are better ways to protect people than having a picture of a woman on a door.

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04-29-2024 , 08:28 PM

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lol at your drunk, drug addled daughter being more at risk in the bathroom than out in the club.

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04-29-2024 , 08:34 PM

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lol at your drunk, drug addled daughter being more at risk in the bathroom than out in the club.

the drug part was added by you guys but ok, I see what you guys are, I am simply someone very very very different from you all

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04-29-2024 , 08:44 PM

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We're definitely the kind of people who don't think putting a picture on a door protects anyone.

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04-29-2024 , 08:54 PM

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the drug part was added by you guys but ok, I see what you guys are

I'm guessing that k-hole doesn't translate well into Italian hence the confusion

when you take enough ketamine, it puts you in this state, commonly called the k-hole

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I am simply someone very very very different from you all

i don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with this

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04-29-2024 , 09:23 PM

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MaAm I imagining things or did Luciom just say he takes his 8 year old drinking and clubbing and Chillrob thinks people who get drunk in public deserve the same societal retribution as rapists and murderers?

And rickroll getting beat up, down and around by uke like rr plays for the Suns.

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04-29-2024 , 09:57 PM

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Most of the rules proponents of trans rights suggest are just allowing trans people to do things any other woman is allowed to do. Like IF we have gendered bathrooms THEN trans people should be allowed to go in the bathroom they identify with. Like sure maybe I'm somewhat on board with the idea that we should move away from gendered bathrooms, and maybe we will, but as long as we do then trans people should be allowed in them.

This doesn't really pose any problem with the "definition" of women, basically everyone knows exactly what everyone else is talking about in these cases when we say something like a trans woman should be allowed in a woman's bathroom. Its no more legally murky than any other legal topic having to do with definitions and the like.

Well personally, i have found a lot of what youve said about transgender healthcare to be helpful. I just wish you were a little less partisian but i guess i get it when arguing against the other side.

But like, we dont need to afford the bearded rednecks the opportunity to take over womens power lifting records to assist in transgender acceptance - which has likely done the opposite, to put it lightly. We are literally still exiting one of the biggest shitshows in sports as a result and its all ideoligcal horseshit.

I guess it would be nice to separate discussion on hormone therapy and overal healthcare for transgender people and that other ****.

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04-29-2024 , 10:01 PM

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You're a bit off on all of those, but you have the general ideas covered.

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04-29-2024 , 10:06 PM

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There was a thread about TG and sports for awhile, but it got shut down.

When this is the only trans related thread allowed, everything is bound to go here.

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04-29-2024 , 11:47 PM

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You're a bit off on all of those, but you have the general ideas covered.

why you even respond to him, he does nothing but hoist his own petard

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04-30-2024 , 12:16 AM

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are you some kind of truly deranged pervert? I am saying I have a 8 y daughter right now and when she grows up I want her to have separate bathrooms available.

jfc how horrible can someone be?

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04-30-2024 , 12:46 AM

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Yeah dude, I posed it as a question because maybe, it's another "language issue" as it seemed pretty incredible. Of course, your kill all the Marxists (everyone who disagrees with you), kill anyone who blocks traffic and your death camp guard govt pipe dreams are pretty incredibly perverted too.

RR is just stupid enough to think he is winning in his battle with Uke because he somehow thinks he has a shred of credibility here. No one believes anything you post RR but keep on being you.

No one who has followed his antics with Uke thinks he is posting in good faith.

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04-30-2024 , 02:28 AM

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Oh come on, he is much closer to good faith than uke, who claims to answer questions he doesn't and thinks he knows more about things he has never tried.

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04-30-2024 , 02:39 PM

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We're definitely the kind of people who don't think putting a picture on a door protects anyone.

It creates a social norm, and a degree of expectation, and gives women the right and the confidence to tell an intruder, 'You shouldn't be in here,' and allows any nearby staff or members of the public to back her up. These civilised norms are precisely what 'queer theory' activists are trying to do away with. But it looks like they're failing.

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