lol this thread is wild

Incredible rhetoric. “Picked a side in the culture war!”

I somewhat agree. However, it shows how completely minimal any form of engagement with trans people is to be deemed "picking a side" by Team Transphobe. This wasn't any of the political policy issues, this wasn't one of the hot button things like trans inclusion in youth sport or gender affirming care for trans youth, it was just the mere concept of a trans person in an ad to their own followers on social media. Basically the bar by which one side chooses to make it into a massive culture war thing where you are forced to pick a side is extremely low.

To be clear, I certainly wasn't claiming that the factors identified were the only risk factors of suicide ideation and attempts among trans youth. This was brought up in the context of people shitting on trans people and viewing that through the lens of what it must feel like to be a trans kid in school with other kids saying those types of things. Yes indeed we absolutely should have education/funding/whatever to mitigate those risk factors.

As to the second point, yes there is a growing body of evidence that things like hormone therapy help the mental health of people who have transitioned. This isn't the same thing as saying always do it in all contexts in all ages.

Growing body of evidence from whom?
I've read the opposite that the suicide rate climbs for those that have transitioned. Though I'm skeptical about those claims as well .

I remember hearing very similar things about gay men and lesbians within my lifetime. There is no such thing as being gay, only mental illness. Men should not sleep with men and women should not sleep with women. You can take your bigotry and ignorance and f*** off out of here with it. Go back to church, whether that's christianity or the church of Andrew Tate, and keep your idiotic hatred there without spreading it.

Can you share your source? I've yet to see anything that says that. For instance, this shows a 73% reduction in suicide risk for those with gender-affirming care. https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide...affirming-care

I agree - you only have to look at the bar by which someone is labelled a TERF or transphobe (e.g., thinking sex is binary), to know this is true.

Suicide rate and risk are not the same. Suicide risk is probably an inflated statistic when it comes to gender affirming care. I've heard many reports that clinicians dealing gender affirming care often present parents with "Do you want a happy son or a dead daughter?" (for an ideology that readily dismisses "binaries", this is a humdinger).

The implications are clear - if you want to transition, tell everyone you are going to kill yourself.

Something kind of hit me today. I looked at you an' wondered if you saw things my way.

People will hold us to blame. It hit me today.

That is not exactly a source I am talking about medical research or government studies. I have told you that the people that claim suicide rates are high in detransitioning are not reliable as well

I couldn't find anything sources in this.

Obviously pretty poor reporting to not link to the study anywhere in the article but searching for some of the quotes it uses it was fairly easy to find the specific study it was referencing:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881768/

My apologies for not realizing you would not be able to google. This statement applies equally to lozen and Jbouton.

Sadly there are no studies on detransitioning as it does not help the cause

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...g-care/672745/

No, lozen, that statement is not an accurate assessment of your link and is disproved from within the link. Like the article has a whole discussion contrasting various studies reporting (generally low) detransition rates, to say there are "no studies" is just silly.

WE have multiple victims coming forward that have detransitioned . They have stated that they received minimal mental health assessments and rushed through the procedures. They also speak out they have been threatened and harassed by the communities you would think support them

You do realize many will not come forward as you really cant go back instead many of these individuals may choose suicide. It is why more progressive countries than the USA and Canada have suspended all such treatments as the current studies can not be trusted

*yawn* try again, Lozen

Lol. I get that study after study consistently showing both elevated suicide ideation and attempts among trans youth gets under the skin of certain types of people, but the length ya'll go to to try and dismiss this fact is hilarious. The trans kids making it up to game the system is definitely a new one, good job Mr. IReadStudies!

Sigh. Lozen, what I'm hoping you are able to do is say something that actually represents the thing you are linking. You cited an op-ed. But the op-ed didn't say - at all - the thing you said which was that no studies have been done when the op-ed describes multiple studies. Now you have concocted a new story about what you are imagining is happening, again not supported by your article, while utterly ignoring key quotes like what Trolly highlights. It's all a little sad.

I dont buy your studies as I have no clue who funds these groups . Suicide is on the increase amoung teens which may include trans youth .

The American Medical System sees this as the new gravy train. We have many individuals that have come out to express their regrets and detail how quickly they were able to get treatments with little to no Mental Health assessments .

The fact that anyone has comes out is very brave as many never will.

Why do you think European Countries have put a halt to these procedures?

I mean if you are going to just willfully ignore any evidence as part of some bizarre conspiracy theory I can't help you.

You have no issue ignoring the detransitioners

No one is ignoring them, you’re just blatantly lying. What is the point of this thread anymore if the bigots just get to lie their asses off constantly?