lol, you transphobes are so cooked. Even Ohio is tired of your bullying ******* politics.

I was around steroid users in my 20-30s both in the gym and pro athletics. I have seen the effects of increasing estrogen and testosterone levels in both males and females, some of which was monitored by physicians. Most was not.

Conceptually, as a non medical person, I don't see how puberty blockers would get mixed with hormones. As I understand it, raising your testosterone level also elevates your estrogen production.

You are either trying to minimize the hormones effects on the body with blockers or maximize it with additional hormones. Is this correct?

By Jo Yurcaba
Ohio’s governor vetoed a bill Friday that would have restricted both transition-related care for minors and transgender girls’ participation on school sports teams.

Gov. Mike DeWine’s veto makes him one of only two Republican governors to veto a restriction on gender-affirming care, alongside Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson in 2021, and one of only three Republican governors to veto a trans athlete bill after Utah Gov. Spencer Cox and Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb last year.

In a press conference on Friday following his veto, DeWine said the “gut-wrenching” decision about whether a minor should have access to gender-affirming care “should not be made by the government, should not be made by the state of Ohio,” rather it should be made by the child’s parents and doctors.

Prior to vetoing the bill, DeWine told The Associated Press that he visited three Ohio children’s hospitals to learn more about transition-related care and spoke to families who were both helped and harmed by it.

“We’re dealing with children who are going through a challenging time, families that are going through a challenging time,” he said. “I want, the best I can, to get it right.”

The Ohio General Assembly, which is controlled by a Republican supermajority, can override the governor’s veto with a three-fifths majority vote.

DeWine’s veto follows weeks of fierce debate and lobbying over the bill. State Rep. Gary Click, a Republican and the bill’s primary sponsor, said earlier this month that minors are “incapable of providing the informed consent necessary to make those very risky and life-changing decisions” regarding their health care, according to WCMH-TV, an NBC affiliate in Columbus.

More than 290 people signed up to speak at an opposition hearing for the bill earlier this month, including a number of physicians, according to WCMH-TV.

One of them, Dr. Christopher Bolling, a retired pediatrician who spoke on behalf of the Ohio Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics, told NBC News that the bill targets a very small number of adolescents. Bolling practiced for more than three decades and saw thousands of families before retiring last year. Of those, he said he only worked with 20-30 who had persistent gender dysphoria. He referred most of them to Cincinnati Children’s Hospital, where he said they reported having positive experiences.

Proponents of restrictions on transition care for minors have cited European countries restricting access to such care. However, Bolling noted that none of those countries have banned it, rather, they are questioning it, which he said all doctors do with all types of care. He said there might be disagreement among doctors regarding how to best treat trans minors, but that disagreement isn’t unique to gender-affirming care.

“You get two pediatricians in a room, we can probably talk about the treatment of an ear infection for four hours, and differences of opinions on how to do it,” he said. “There are going to be differences of opinions on how to do any complicated care and this is complicated care. Having legislators come in to say, ‘This is settled and this needs to be treated this way,’ at this point, is ridiculous. They do it under the guise of saying, ‘Well, we just want to take time and find out if it’s really safe.’ Well, if you’re banning it, you’re never going to figure out if it’s safe either.”

More than a dozen major medical organizations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association — support access to transition-related care for minors and have opposed the state bans.


Last month, a number of people testified in favor of the bill, which also aimed to restrict trans student-athlete participation. Former University of Kentucky swimmer Riley Gaines, who swam against transgender University of Pennsylvania swimmer Lia Thomas, testified that Thomas was “not a one-off,” WCMH-TV reported.

“Across the country and across various sports, female athletes are losing not only titles and awards to males but also roster spots and opportunities to compete,” Gaines said.

Gaines didn’t elaborate on other instances of trans athlete participation that she believed were unfair. However, in 2021, The Associated Press reached out to two dozen state lawmakers who supported restrictions on trans athletes and found only a few times it has created a problem among the hundreds of thousands of American students playing sports.

In the last three years, 22 states have passed restrictions on transition-related care for minors and 23 states have passed laws prohibiting trans athletes from playing on school sports teams that align with their gender identities, according to the Movement Advancement Project, an LGBTQ think tank.


Jo Yurcaba
Jo Yurcaba is a reporter for NBC Out.

bryce is mega gay, nice freudian slip

Traditional American voters are tired of loudmouthed idiots trying to get in between families and their doctors.

Why do you think many European countries have stopped allowing providers to order puberty blockers to children? They started noticing that these medications are not as safe as previously thought.
"During puberty, bone mass typically surges, determining a lifetime of bone health. When adolescents are using blockers, bone density growth flatlines, on average, according to an analysis commissioned by The Times of observational studies examining the effects."
"Many doctors treating trans patients believe they will recover that loss when they go off blockers. But two studies from the analysis that tracked trans patients’ bone strength while using blockers and through the first years of sex hormone treatment found that many do not fully rebound and lag behind their peers."

It also has yet to be determined if using puberty blockers accomplishes the goal of providing confused children the time to decide what sex they think they want to be or if using them locks them into a specific plan of care that ultimately leads to, as the spaceman said, inject them with hormones opposite to their actual sex.

I think it's been obvious for a long time that the spaceman is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

So are you going to answer the questions or just spout your political nonsense?

Believing that the opposition is incapable of being persuaded in some absolute way due to, for example, low IQ can easily turn into a justification for tyranny.

If you’re an opponent of tyranny and not a hypocrite, then you should want the above to not be true, and you should exhaust every other possibility. This includes reconsidering how much weight you put on empirical truth vs moral truth.

You are a human individual before you are a scientist and before you are a medical professional.

I assume that bryce, like everyone else, is capable of believing that someone is objectively attractive without being sexually attracted to that person himself.

I don't know who that person is, and I apparently did miss the point of your post. (I still don't understand the point.)

i thought the smiley face made the sarcasm obvious enough

i legit was unsure if bryce was posting real women as a gotcha or proving that they could pass as women and thus were women despite the penis

no joke though, that ted talk trans woman was very attractive, can see why she was a successful model, but think it's beyond fd up that if i were to approach her at a bar and ask her out she didn't feel like disclosing she had a penis was any of my business

this "whether or not i have a penis is a personal and private matter that i don't need to disclose to people i date" is one of the third rails that will forever keep this a tricky issue

i really like how asians handle it

they are not men, nor women, they are something in between, hence why they call themselves ladyboys

they do not hide that they are a ladyboy, if they think for even a minute that you are mistaken then they'll find a tactful way to broach the subject

example:

"you have very nice eyes"

"of course, all ladyboys have nice eyes"

boom, instantly, you're aware they are hanging dong and then from that point can steer things with full knowledge of the issue and many of the people in southeast asia are expressly seeking them out

they are also widely accepted, there are "ladyboy politicians" in southeast asia, ladyboy celebrities, etc

it's not like rupaul where it's a circus act of "omg look at what the wild and crazy tranny is up to next" but they are just regular people without any over the top trans act



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she's reading to kids at a library, so why wearing so much makeup and a cocktail dress, what normal person would wear that to read to children at story hour? if it wasn't a trans person then a lot of the same parents who are all about how virtue signaling their progressive behavior and bring their kids to that would not bring their kids if it was a woman with a vagina reading tales like that because then suddenly she's indecent and a bad behavior

we're so focused on virtue signaling that we fail to view the behavior in a vacuum - it's absolutely sickening we're having people dressed like that for children's events and yet if you say there's something wrong with it then you are "transphobic" but if we were against stripper story hour then that's ok



i just think if we took a more progressive and reasonable asian approach of "i'm not a boy but also not a woman because i got that dong" then we could better normalize it and go about it

the trans people in asia are generally quite confident and secure individuals who are amazing to hang out with because let's be real, if you're a trans person then you've definitely led a very unique life and will have very interesting stories and perspectives on things

the trans people in the usa i've met are generally uptight and everything is a third rail and they are insecure and looking for validation hence the "you're transphobic if you don't think men can have babies" nonsense

one is a healthy "i'm different and that's ok"

one is a legitimately unhealthy and insane claim of "no, I'm actually a woman who happens to have a penis"

This is not the case. Once natural puberty is 'blocked' by administration of these drugs at the normal age of puberty, it cannot resume later. You are confusing the use of these drugs for social reasons, at the age of natural puberty, which is untrialled and unapproved as a medical procedure, with the quite different use of the drugs to treat premature puberty in girls. In cases of premature puberty, the drugs are stopped at the age of natural puberty, which then takes its normal course. That is not possible when the drugs have been used to halt puberty at the natural age.

Cite?

Makes no sense to me.

That's your thing? You answer a question with a question?

Some people do not want to see the truth. It is easier for them to stick their heads in the sand and let the liberals tell them what and how to think.

I don't know why and I don't know if there is uniform agreement as to why. Given that you conflate puberty blockers, hormone treatment and surgery, I dont know which countries you are referring to.

As noted in the Ohio veto article, I don't even know if there is a ban other than you representing there is:

Proponents of restrictions on transition care for minors have cited European countries restricting access to such care. However, Bolling noted that none of those countries have banned it, rather, they are questioning it, which he said all doctors do with all types of care.

So identify which country or country has banned puberty blockers that your original question references and I will try to answer your question.

But I am sure you will still dodge mine.

Gangsta isn't mistaken, he just can't be bothered to do the bare minimum of research. The pro-trans crowd frames it that it's only temporary until the child knows for sure what his gender is. So, gangsta just simply parrots back those talking points.

So this reminds me that I posted about this before the holidays and then forgot about coming back to it.

I think I got this at least partially wrong. The discussion was about dating and I suggested there could be situations where someone might not disclose right away. I believe I was originally thinking of when people first meet, which wouldn't really be dating. Once someone is going out on an actual date, where there is an expectation that this could lead to some deeper romantic relationship, sex, whatever, I'm not seeing where holding that info back makes a lot of sense. So I'll walk back whatever I said that suggested it might make sense not to disclose once someone is dating, unless I hear a compelling reason otherwise.

That said...

Is it? I mean, is it that common an occurrence, some big issue plaguing society? I think it's something that probably only happens because we're not here:

Until this is the case here, being up front about it when you first meet someone is going to remain difficult.

You're conflating two things that are quite different. While there are numerous transgender drag queens, all drag queens are not transgender. Not even close. RuPaul himself is not transgender, and has at times been labeled as anti-trans.

I never used the word "banned." Basically they are taking a step back to further explore the issue as they are beginning to see the damage they have inflicted upon thousands of innocent little children already.

Can we stop calling them “tranny” and “ladyboy” please?

"Ladyboy" is what they call themselves in Asia.

Aside from your "banned" semantics issue, are you going to indicate which countries you were referencing as having stopped allowing providers to order puberty blockers?

What research are you suggesting I have been too lazy to look for? Pretty much every source on the use of puberty blockers for trans youth discusses how it is a temporary, reversible treatment. Sure, you can find an article or two saying otherwise, but there is most certainly a consensus here.

The puberty blockers basically just signal to the brain to stop the release of pubertal levels of hormones. But taking exogenous hormones would do the same, which is why I don't think they would generally be used together. I believe that when testosterone is given, an additional medication is sometimes given to prevent its conversion to estrogen or with something to block some of the estrogen effects. So anyway, I believe your understanding is rather correct.