It also allows any security staff to immediately use violence to remove the males from the bathroom even before actual violence happens, which can prevent a lot of problems.

Because trained security staff will keep an eyes on badly behaving drunk groups people especially when they move toward the bathrooms and if they even attempt to enter the women bathroom it's GG them.

But for some reasons poster ITT never went clubbing , have no idea of actual real life dynamics, never had to help women friends who drank a tad too much from harassment in clubs and so on

Side fact, I have a family member experiencing really massive problems with ketamine dependency right now. It really, really sucks and we've been struggling to help

i'm sorry to hear that, i've never heard of it becoming a dependency but seen enough people on it and the zombie state they enter that i wouldn't wish that on anyone - always been curious about it myself but the idea of taking a drug where the world ceases to exist for an extended chunk of time isn't really all that appealing to me

hope things turn out for the better

interestingly, by far the most common ads i see on Instagram lately are from companies selling ketamine microdosing kits to cure depression so it seems ketamine is entering the zeitgeist and no longer a fringe thing only people at week long folk music festivals would know about this is the company https://www.joyous.team/blog/microdosing-ketamine

Ya in her case started as like self-medicating for anxiety, and then grew to going full on k-hole every day and not able to do normal work/life functions. She's left town now to be away from her ex boyfriend who was supplying it, which is good, but is also now away from her family, which is not so good.

fffff, i know we have our differences but I'm sorry to hear that and hope things turn around

your theyr'e idiot

So Lia Thomas is banned now?

Finally. IT took these idiots some time...

FINA (World Aquatics) banned Thomas, and anyone who has 'experienced any part of male puberty beyond Tanner Stage 2 or age 12', from women's competitions nearly two years ago. Thomas is suing, but is also being sued by a large number of actual female swimmers.

https://resources.fina.org/fina/docu...CES-FINAL-.pdf

The UK will now outlaw gender-neutral toilets in all new or renovated non-residential buildings, the only exceptions being lockable single-occupant rooms with their own washbasins where this is compelled or allowed by space considerations.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...s-in-buildings

Back in the 80s when central governments didn't try to take over the finest details of everyone's lives the bathrooms in my dorm were gender-neutral.

Florence hospital stopped giving puberty blockers to minors after government inspection found tavistock-like procedures (easygoing prescriptions without psychiatric pre-assessment and the like).

The gvmnt is working to fully ban such prescriptions nationally.

To be clear they were very rare occurrences to begin with in Italy, still a nice development

Source in italian (leftwing, pro-trans source decrying the event as negative)

https://www.fanpage.it/politica/il-g...ria-di-genere/

i went to arguably the most liberal school in america

my college had some women's only dorms and the rest were co-ed

none of the bathrooms were co-ed unless they were individual bathrooms that could be locked from the inside

visited my sister at another very liberal college, they had co-ed bathrooms, it was a little odd at first but you got used to it quickly

came back to visit again the next semester and they'd switched to same-sex only because there'd been some pervy incidents - nothing that tangibly crossed any lines but there'd been enough complaints about feeling uncomfortable that they switched it up

Hilariously the first comment on this is implying that there is no elevated violence against trans people

Why do you guys keep linking opinion pieces from 10 years ago as relevant to modern discussion?

You do realize your link is utterly and completely useless for anything, right?

I'm glad I missed the 100+ post long dance back and forth about how trans people deserve to be murdered for not disclosing their trans status.

The two sides in this thread are so desperate to refuse to agree on anything that the anti trans crowd was actually going to bat for murder

Can't make it up!

Yall can dislike me, you can dislike uke, you can think bryce is crazy, its whatever. But yall use that as a vehicle to unleash your most disturbing thoughts against trans people. That is pathetic.

And yet, almost all of your post is made up.

Brother, there are no less than 3 people that lent credibility to the discussion that trans people face blame for getting murdered for not disclosing their trans status. The entire premise is based on Rick just making some **** up, which he has been incredibly prone to do in this thread.

It incredibly hard not to insult you right now. You often pop in with sarcastic comments from the peanut gallery and don't add much other than the implication that you don't think much of these trans peoples. You are an affluent, pushing 60, white guy who likely has had an incredibly easy life. I don't hold your opinion in high regard outside of finance and even then, at this point I think I have better more relevant strategies.

you left out the rape part

Rick was the only one using that as any kind of argument, and he didn't in any way say that people should be blamed for getting murdered. You're completely twisting things, or maybe more likely, only paying attention to what uke said when he was completely twisting things.

the west is slowly but surely moving toward sanity by basically making many of the claims of the most active trans activists in this thread, crimes or illegal.

Fewer children are being mutilated and sterilized.

Fewer women are being forced to compete in sports with men who think they are women, to be in prison with men who think they are women, to be in rape shelters with men who think they are women.

trend is good, cordies of the western world notwithstanding.

From what I hear that'd be Evergreen or Oberlin. I think they're both much more liberal (or whatever term) than any of the large schools. I went to UC Berkeley. I have a daughter at a UC in the dorms and I think the bathrooms are co-ed (but surely like the dorms I had there are individual stalls for toilets and showers. Iirc, we had urinals in ours too because I think the dorms used to be single-sex per floor and iirc dudes generally didn't use them if the were women around.

neither school, it's not on any lists or ranks but it is in the very top if not the most - i visited friends who went to infamously liberal schools like reed and hampshire and they were nothing like what we had

people crocheting in a circle while passing a bowl around and listening to bela fleck or string cheese incident was probably the most common activity

don't think i once heard anything remotely resembling a conservative opinion the entire time i was there

I didn't factor that in date of publication. I picked it because it surveyed multiple opinions of faulty at an Ivy League school, which i feel lends credibly. As opposed to cherry picking a random blog or click bait article, which might say anything.

Are you saying these positions have been abandoned in recent years? Now, similar people would say trans people are obligated to be honest and forthright about their status?

Of course, the unnamed "most liberal school in America" gives you some type of antidotal experience that we should trust gives you greater insight on the issue, right?

i enjoyed reading it es2, i found it interesting and objective

It seems to me that at the base of our disagreement is that you don't think people can truly be transgender. You don't say "transgender women," you say "men who think they are women." If we don't accept that people can be trans, then nearly all of these issues are clear no's (I'm not saying they're clear yes's on the other side, but at least there's reason for debate).