I think it's extremely poignant that you think the only reason why someone would reject a name is becasue of racial connotations. YOU think Jamal is ONLY a black name. YOU infer race, and think everyone else does to.

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Of ****ing course everyone infers race from "Jamal". The paper you cited points out 80% of Jamals in the United States are black and some number of the remaining 20% are mixed race. What universe do you live in where you think "Jamal" does not give off a racial signal? And more importantly, who on earth do you think finds this "raised by wolves" routine impressive?

I've never known a non-arabic Jamal.

EDIT: I knew one other, Malcolm Jamal Warner, or something...Theo on The Cosby Show. You made this about me, now you look foolish.

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https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Na...MAL/index.html

Gonna just wait for the edit I know is coming, now that you're all wound up and surely can't let this go without adding some insults...

Ah, there it is. I look foolish? Well, let's see:

Just minutes ago you were bragging about your use of scholarly research, now you're throwing it out the door because of *checks notes* mynamestats.com???

Unlike you, I actually opened the paper that you cited. Let's see what your scholarly research says about "Jamal":

LOOOOOOOOL. itslyinginvegas completely owning himself into oblivion once again! So shocking, never could have seen that coming!

What? Multiple sources back up the data I cited on Jamal. I've only personally known Arabic Jamal's. I can't find any data that supports that claim it's a "black name", other than what's in the that paper. Further, it's an extremely uncommon name in the US.

IHIV before he realizes his own citation owned him:

IHIV after he realizes his own citation owned him:

looooooooooooooool. "What paper? I've never seen this paper in my life!"

(also, really not that uncommon if you're a sports fan, Jamal Crawford and Jamal Lewis are decorated NBA/NFL players respectively)

Goofy using a paper that says names have not been rigorously tested for viability for racial connotation.... and when shown data that "jamal" is not a "black name", uses that study as some sort of evidence that Jamal is a "black name".

LOL. Okay...

You cited a paper that showed 95% of like 8,000 survey respondents classifying "Jamal" as black and now you're sitting here like "hurr durr actually my very own paper is trash now that it's making me look dumb". LOL itslyinginvegas!

What you should be learning from this is that you are remarkably uninformed about how Americans at large perceive racial signals from names! You're sitting here talking down to people who have a quantifiably better handle on the subject we're discussing than you do, given that I correctly perceived how Americans see the name "Jamal" and you could not. If you were an honest person interested in having an honest discussion, you'd do some introspection on how you went so wrong and how you can avoid making similar mistakes of overestimating your own knowledge in the future. (spoiler: you're not, and you won't, lol)

I'm not saying it's trash. As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to. Further, I'm not denying other people might associate it as a black name, which you take as an indicator of race, and think everyone does, but what you don't get is, I'm actually well traveled, it would not occur to me to think it as "black name". It's really uncommon name, and it's way more prevalent in middle eastern countries. Remember, you challenged my perception, not America-at-large. It's not a black name. What people perceive it as is depends on the methodology of the survey.

You assumed I would not name my kid Jamal becasue it's a "black name" and I've never thought of it as a "black name".

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That might be the case, but the problem is....it hurts more white people than black people, in the case of Jamal (but actually hurts arabs more than anyone).

What is the more rigorous methodology of mynamestats.com?

Social Security records, backed up by many sources.

"I was only wrong because I am actually smarter than you" is about the take I was expecting here lmao

I think it's amazing you think it's wrong not to infer blackness by the name Jamal, a name that is most commonly associated to Arabs. That tells the entire story, IMO.

loooooooooooooool

IHIV's been to the Middle East tho, which is suuuuuuper relevant in a conversation about "how is Jamal perceived in the United States" where he's utterly clueless and continuing to die on that hill

Maybe in the most recent history with more middle east immigrants Jamal (Jamaal) can be associated with Arabs or whatever but in the 80's, 90's Jamal is 100% a black name as far as America goes. Kind of crazy to argue otherwise. I guess if you grew up in Deerborn that would explain it.

You're a liar.

I hereby challenge anyone to enter a name into mynamestats.com and find a name that is more than 50% Black. Thus far, I've tried every name given as an example in the paper, plus Shaniqua, DeSean, and D'Anthony (no hits for D'Anthony). All were at least 60% white. Trying out some strongly Asian names, like Zhi, Qing, Hiro, and Tatsuya, and it returns >5% white (and not mixed race). Sure, yeah, that's believable

Okay narcissist. I know the truth is what you want to it be, so you call people liars when you are shown evidence contrary to the truth. Jamal is an Arabic name:

Source.


Now find out how people actually have the name Jamal:

Go to any link to see how many people are named "Jamal".

Good look finding one that says there are more than 30K.

Don't blame me for your racist idea that Jamal is a "black name". That's your problem, not mine. You narcissist can't take an L. The amazing thing is, you all are looking for ways to identify it as a black name, and you can't do it. (why? becasue no one has ever really tested the names out) You are trying to validate the racial connotation. ****ing pathetic, instead of acknowledging the paper says what I indicated it says, the methodology for racial connotation is extremely flawed, you try your backward ass logic to try and rebut it. You walked right into making yourselves look foolish.


Your argument for systemic racism is based partly on a name that less than 30K people have, and that researchers have arbitrarily associated race to.

LOL. You're losing your grip on reality again! He's telling you that you're full of **** about your new best friend mynamestats.com and your response is...things that have absolutely nothing to do with his post?

Oh, look, it's a day ending in "y" and itscryinginvegas is lying again. The name "Jamal" - that name and that name only - is apparently a really important part of our argument? LOOOOOOL

Go figure you would resort to a sanity argument. I have not lied about anything. If all those websites are lying, they are the ones lying, not me. You both can keep projectiong, bro.

And of course:

perfect

Gaslight me about "lying", and when it's pointed out you were actually lying about me lying, you deflect. #toxiccult