Look at this dude trying to hang Venezuela around liberals necks and then in the next breath being like "support the war on drugs? Why, I never!"

Lol ok buddy

Locking kids in cages because of some boogeyman threat and wants to act like they're not the bleeding gashes here

You should try to get your emotions in check. You are fabricating positions I don't hold and some topics I've never even commented on and mocking them. Children do that with dolls, you don't need to exercise your imagination here, it's not the place

As long as you understood that I'm mocking you

Scared of their own shadow conservatives that have been for-profit fear mongered to the point of being frightened by their own shadow projecting about masculinity.

FWIW I personally know noteworthy evolutionary psychologists who are pissed at the way the right has hijacked and twisted their principles and theories to serve malign purposes.

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Not sure what your point is, but that's reality. There is an extent to which personal responsibility matters, but sometimes it won't matter in the face of actual oppression and/or the lack of will to do enough to inspire, give incentive to, and facilitate the necessary conditions to perpetuate personal responsibility

Inso0 keeps talking about the same diatribe repeatedly and I already told him once he's just stating the obvious and ignoring what you just labeled a "maternal oppressor vs oppressed narrative" and needs to be noted...

One other thing is that perhaps it might be important to understand that in trying to and actually solving a complex social issue like this, the current people getting screwed by it are ****ed. The damage is already done. The action and effort today is really for the people of tomorrow. We screwed the people of today already and real change/improvement for their lives are minimal or non existent

Again there is no group of people who constantly demand a lack of responsibility for their own actions more than movement conservatives.

I became racist because you called other people racist, I voted Trump because liberals attacked Romney, etc. etc.

It is a foundational principle that only the left has agency.

Fair enough that I don't know how many kids actually get chucked out so it's really a general point about how some types of school appear to be doing a better job than they are. The biggest factor in this regard is usually how they select the student in the first place but that's also various other techniques to boost performance figures.

100% parental freedom is a nice idea but it boils down to very limited choice for many families. There are only a few schools within reach and the best ones are usually oversubscribed. With so much money at stake it's not a bad idea for parents to know how much better their child is likely to do if they pay more rather than how much better the school's results are.

Personal responsibility is a good thing even for children but they are children not adults. Consequences should be minimised and 2nd chances along with as much help as we can provide are very good things. I think the same is true for adults as well but in addition when it's children we also have a big responsibility to care for them.


This point is true of everything but when judgements and expectations are used to decide outcomes we introduce one of the most damaging forms of racial/etc bias. It comes from the least racist, most well meaning people as well as those who are actually racist/etc.

Which is of course nonsense (if anyone believes it)

In reality no-one has 100% agency. Dont matter a jot what side they are on politically.

Re: kids getting kicked out of school

Unpacking the Drivers of Racial Disparities in School Suspension and Expulsion (2019; full text)

Note that the new empirical data in this study is focused on suspension and expulsion of elementary school students. I think that's probably younger than the kids people think of, but it also seems useful given that children's attitudes about education are probably shaped by these early experiences.

A few quotes:

Public schools don't have that luxury though. They're obliged to take every child, regardless of whether the kid is 'good' or not, and then they're also obliged to try to do their best to give said kid an education. Whereas private schools can take the cream of the crop (often determined by the $$) and wipe their hands of the ones who may be poor, disadvantaged, handicapped, or just plain dumb.

It's a lot easier to get better results for less cost when you get to cherry pick your sample size, which private schools do.

Meh, it's just a way to say liberals are 'mama's boys' while conservatives are manly and strong.

In that case I prefer the Garrison cartoons :P

illegal aliens: build a wall

No, "behave yourselves" would cover illegal aliens, too.

Can you just, not break our laws?

Why should they? I am not just being glib either.

If you think about it for a second; if conditions are as bad in their home countries as they perceive and the potential benefit/cost ratio of trying to migrate as high as they perceive (I think there is some false hope here), it does not seem there is either a practical or ethical rationale not to attempt to migrate.

His post (and his history) drips with context that suggests he doesn't actually think this, though

I don't disagree with you.

Well, the extension of his logic would dictate that men should lean conservative and women liberal. So the real misbalance (here specifically at least) is all the liberal men and their feminized psychological processes.

This implication had not escaped me. Nor anyone else, I imagine. Hence:

What do the actual stats say?

It was an interesting read, but left much to be desired.

They tried to control for socioeconomic background, but it's hard to control for 84% of the black kids in the study having an absent father vs 47% of the white kids.

They also acknowledge that black child behaviors worsened at a greater rate than the white kids, but attribute that to the suspension gap itself. Ehhhh okay? Maybe the home-life relates to those worsening behavior problems.


This is the sort of thing you can't just figure out by reviewing data, but I think would be a pretty important part of the puzzle.

See, you’re never afraid to say the quiet part out loud, that’s why I your posting more than Juan’s.