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I don't think that. I rather certain most of them call their "mom", mom, and "dad" dad. But, that's embracing an age old stereotype and sexist pronoun. Again, mom is not a simple gender pronoun, it's defined by certain female mothering characteristics. Or, do you call them mom and dad just out of respect for their gender preference, if you ever did discuss it with them (outside that one time you called them by the first name when you were 8)?

Do you think stay at home dads should not be called dads, or that they would not want to be called dads?

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08-01-2019 , 10:14 PM

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Do you think stay at home dads should not be called dads, or that they would not want to be called dads?

What? I'm honestly asking how progressives deal with "mom" and "dad" pronouns when it comes to their ideology, in respect to the role women and men play in parenting children....obviously there are folks who operate outside this paradigm, and that's okay, but most don't.

There is no trap...it does not seem like you have a good answer, though. I mean, if you are adamant the patriarchy must go, how do you deal with the those two pronouns, and the role it plays in society...there are not many bigger things that delineate women from men in our society, than the roles of "mom" and "dad" and what that infers for each title, generally.

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08-01-2019 , 10:49 PM

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I listened to the freakeconomics on that study sometime back. I don't recall women being biologically inferior being the main take-away, but freakeconomics is pretty tame.

Okay, but you really need to go back and read the whole sentence I wrote, because “biologically inferior” had an important qualifier attached to it.

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08-01-2019 , 10:50 PM

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Maybe we need a lesson in sentence diagraming for the podcast crowd? That might be productive.

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08-01-2019 , 10:58 PM

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My question is genuine, and it seems to be quite relevant given your dodge in lieu of an answer. I would appreciate a direct answer.

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08-01-2019 , 11:00 PM

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vegas where are you learning about "progressive ideology" and did it not strike you as unlikely that SJW opposition to the various harmful consequences of the patriarchy(which are many! for both men and women) would manifest in a need to invent a new shortened way for children to address their parents?

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08-01-2019 , 11:03 PM

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It's ****ing wild that vegas' podcasts told him half the country are militant genderqueer nonbinary tumblr teens telling their kids not to use gendered pronouns like "dad" and he was like "hmm, plausible, the cultural marxists hate the family structure and run all the schools"

Y'all just straight up never leave the house?

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08-01-2019 , 11:07 PM

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Why do you think women and men having generally different qualities equates to men are superior? It might be YOU see certain qualities as being inferior.

Almost 300 posts in and all I've gotten is like 3 conservative principles and TROLLY is the REAL SEXIST

I don't know if this thread was a sincere question or a gotcha w the expected answer of "easy, they have none", but the problem here is that the bloc of conservatives in America today can't actually say they follow those principles, because their actions and words contradict them en masse and with astounding repetition...

Just look at how this thread has gone. It speaks volumes by what is not being said

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08-01-2019 , 11:10 PM

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To be fair, Trolly and the progressive caucus is why you don't have more. I'm not in the mood to fight endless straw mans, pretty sure most conservatives are not either. I do plan to post mine, but again, I'm not really interested in the typical discourse right now.

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08-01-2019 , 11:11 PM

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My question is genuine, and it seems to be quite relevant given your dodge in lieu of an answer. I would appreciate a direct answer.

I'm the one who asked the question....and the only response was that you refer to your parents by their gender identity.

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08-01-2019 , 11:15 PM

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I'm the one who asked the question....and the only response was that you refer to your parents by their gender identity.

Yeah, that is how they want to be called. I gave you not only an answer, I gave you the correct answer. Now it's your turn to return the favor.

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This is rich....

I'm wondering if you know which podcast I did not listen to....that led you to believe I got this question from a podcast?

I find it odd you do not find "mom" and "dad" to be stereotypical, and ultimately sexist, but you can't explain why it isn't. Really odd.

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08-01-2019 , 11:19 PM

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Yeah, that is how they want to be called. I gave you not only an answer, I gave you the correct answer. Now it's your turn to return the favor.

Okay, that led to me asking you about the roles....to which you dodged by asking me a question (right after telling me to "spring my trap"). If you do not want to discuss it, fine, but you are not going to put me on defense because you don't want to discuss it.

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btw, it's neo-Marxist, fly.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 08-01-2019 at 11:28 PM. Reason: this is somewhat factitious

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08-01-2019 , 11:31 PM

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What are your principles?

It is a real lazy, open-ended question, that is mostly a troll. Keeping in mind there probably aren't very many people on this forum that even identify as conservative, I am surprised even 3 people bothered to deal with the troll question seriously.

That being said, a few different interesting discussions have popped up, so this thread has turned out much more productive than I ever thought it would.

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08-01-2019 , 11:31 PM

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I mean, if I was responding to the question, I would say I don't find it stereotypical and sexist, and this is why: xxx

If you have a problem with the premise, explain why...instead of ranting about podcast.

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08-01-2019 , 11:35 PM

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Not to mention, if you are being honest, it requires an extensive amount of time to elucidate and articulate.

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08-01-2019 , 11:36 PM

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Y'all just straight up never leave the house?

On a related note, I just love this theory we've workshopped that women are biologically better at empathy and emotional intelligence but are somehow terrible at negotiating. Makes loads of sense if you've never had a boss or ever had to negotiate anything in the real world beyond asking mom for extra tendies.

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08-01-2019 , 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I don't really understand what you mean about roles and how that should impact how someone should or may want to be called. That is why I asked for clarification in the form of asking how you regard a particular example of a cis straight dude who does not conform to patriarchal gender roles. With some more clarity by giving me an answer to this example, we can further the discussion.

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08-01-2019 , 11:39 PM

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This is rich....

I'm wondering if you know which podcast I did not listen to....that led you to believe I got this question from a podcast?

Well you definitely didn't get it from actual progressives. Where did you come up with this ****?

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I find it odd you do not find "mom" and "dad" to be stereotypical, and ultimately sexist, but you can't explain why it isn't. Really odd.

Man nobody has any idea what you're talking about.

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08-01-2019 , 11:44 PM

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Putting aside your own personal value judgement biases which you indicate when you inject the word "better," I do find it interesting when the topic was urban schools, and Inso was saying behavior was the big problem based on his years of personal experience, all the progressives were adamant that anecdotes don't matter and all that matters is the data.

But then when it comes to psychological gender data, of which there is a lot, and it is highly reproducible, all of a sudden data doesn't matter anymore and we just fall back on name calling.

Very interesting.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5110041/

Why do you associate/imply a positive/negative association with being a bad negotiator? If we are being honest, narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths are probably the best negotiators because they exploit empathy, and are only concerned with themselves, and have no sense of fairness, or justice. Obviously there is a spectrum....but generally speaking, being a bad negotiator is probably beneficial socially, despite the potential economic consequences.

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08-01-2019 , 11:54 PM

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Did you miss this?

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This is not an attack on trans folks. This is speaking to gender specific roles within society, to to which progressive reject as they find most of the gender roles commonly associated to females to be sexist, but when it comes to mom and dad.....that's not the case?

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08-01-2019 , 11:57 PM

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and biological.

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08-02-2019 , 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Did you miss this?

This is not an attack on trans folks. This is speaking to gender specific roles within society, to to which progressive reject as they find most of the gender roles commonly associated to females to be sexist, but when it comes to mom and dad.....that's not the case?

That's not an answer, yo. That's, charitably, an acknowledgment that I asked a question along those lines. Why do you think progressives should have different titles for male parents who don't conform to patriarchal gender roles w.r.t. rearing children specifically, and what would those titles be?

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