Conservatives: What are your principles? - Page 11 - Politics and Society -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Well, Trolly has a point in that gender framing seems to be very relevant in respect to conservative/liberal identity politics; although it is a difficult subject to navigate without breaking forum rules (at least going one way, it would probably be hard for something to say something sexist against males that would violate forum rules, which is another potential derail in itself).

Quote

08-01-2019 , 08:25 PM

#252

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,992

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

arguing for the "inherent superiority" of one sex over the other is also out of bounds in this forum, so that's one reason not to wander too closely to the topic.

LMFAO, we just had like half a dozen posts saying just that.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 08:28 PM

#253

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus999

Isn't this exactly what far leftists do? They even made up a term to normalize attacking masculine norms, toxic masculinity.

Bro, we just did this with "white privilege." Learning about liberal concepts from your favorite right wing sources once again results in you having no idea what liberals are talking about when they use particular terms. They lie to you.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 08:34 PM

#254

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

LMFAO, we just had like half a dozen posts saying just that.

Dude, it's totally OK to talk about women taking lesser paying jobs like it's the natural order of things as long as you don't explicitly say that it's the natural order of things, or at least as long as you qualify your statement that you see the sexes are equal, just different.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 08:42 PM

#255

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,992

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

The trick is you have to throw in generous helpings of Jordan Peterson podcast jibberish about the femminine narrative of emotional psychological ideolocial possession blah blah blah, and then you can tell us how women Uber drives are paid less because they've evolved to suck at driving and liberals are girlymen.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 08:51 PM

#256

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

...

Quote:

“This suggests that, as the gig economy grows and brings more flexibility in employment, women’s relatively high opportunity cost of non-paid-work time and gender-based preference differences can perpetuate a gender earnings gap even in the absence of discrimination,” they concluded. ~ National Bureau of Economic Research

Quote

08-01-2019 , 08:59 PM

#257

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

I know Trolly is not much for nuance, but did you really think no one was going to read the Uber study?

Quote:

Here are some of the key takeaways:

77% of women quit the Uber platform after 6 months compared to 65% of male drivers.

Experience accounts for one-third of the earnings gap, according to the paper.

Drivers who have taken more than 2,500 trips earn an average of $3 more per hour than those with less than 100 trips.

Men, on average, accumulate more experience by working more hours each week and being less likely to stop driving with Uber.

About half of the earnings gap is explained by differences in driving speed, according to Uber. The researchers found that, on average, men drive 2.2% faster than women. The researchers noted that there is a positive expected return to driving faster. However they also note returns may turn negative at excessive speeds. This difference in driving speed is not unique to Uber. Data gathered from the National Highway Travel Survey indicates that a gender gap in driving speed exists in the wider population as well.

The remaining one-sixth of the gap in earnings is explained by differences in where people choose to drive, with men, on average, driving in locations with higher surge and lower wait times.

Spoiler:

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:18 PM

#258

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I know Trolly is not much for nuance, but did you really think no one was going to read the Uber study?

Spoiler:

Pretty sure Trolly has read that study and believes the data. Well-collected data aren't sexist, but inferences from them certainly can be.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:19 PM

#259

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

women’s relatively high opportunity cost of non-paid-work time

Also, what do you think this is?

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:29 PM

#260

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Pretty sure Trolly has read that study and believes the data. Well-collected data aren't sexist, but inferences from them certainly can be.

I've always wondered, do progressives call their mom, "mom", and their dad, "dad"?

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:31 PM

#261

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I've always wondered, do progressives call their mom, "mom", and their dad, "dad"?

It's because we address people by their gender identity. Hope this helps.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:40 PM

#262

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

It's because we address people by their gender identity. Hope this helps.

"Mom" is just a gender pronoun....used to refer to a female parent? I'm rather sure most people don't see their mom or dad title as a simple reference to the gender identity of that parent, nor do the parents think of that title as a simple reference to their sex. In other words, a persons "mom" is not necessarily defined by their sex, but rather by the role they play in that persons life.

It's not that I do not understand folks have different perceptions of who they are either....

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:41 PM

#263

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

"Mom" is just a gender pronoun....used to refer to a female parent? I'm rather sure most people don't see their mom or dad, title as a simple reference to their gender identity, nor do the parents think of that title as a simple reference to their sex. In other words, a persons "mom" is not necessarily defined by their sex, but rather by the role they play in that persons life.

It's not that I do not understand folks have different perceptions of who they are either....

OK bro, spring your big trap.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:42 PM

#264

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,992

Quote:

Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I know Trolly is not much for nuance, but did you really think no one was going to read the Uber study?

Spoiler:

You don’t seem to be following the flow of the conversation terribly well here. My point was that “women are biologically inferior at being Uber drivers” is a principle of modern conservativism. You posted a study supporting that conclusion! The gender gap being a part of nature’s order is something you sincerely and passionately believe.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:43 PM

#265

Kelhus999

banned

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,282

Is there a typical pronoun convention that children of same sex couples use? If there is, this could be illustrative towards this argument.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:46 PM

#266

Kelhus999

banned

Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,282

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Actually, yes there is a study which supports this argument.

But I am sure women are biologically better kindergarten teachers, and kindergarten teacher is a better job than Uber driver, so jokes on the men.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:46 PM

#267

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus999

Is there a typical pronoun convention that children of same sex couples use? If there is, this could be illustrative towards this argument.

It's one of life's great mysteries.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:46 PM

#268

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Why do you think women and men having generally different qualities equates to men are superior? It might be YOU see certain qualities as being inferior.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:49 PM

#269

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,992

Quote:

Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I've always wondered, do progressives call their mom, "mom", and their dad, "dad"?

It’s wild how an accurate description of things you believe makes you lash out emotionally like this.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:50 PM

#270

Luckbox Inc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 61,287

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I listened to the freakeconomics on that study sometime back. I don't recall women being biologically inferior being the main take-away, but freakeconomics is pretty tame.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:52 PM

#271

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

OK bro, spring your big trap.

There is no trap, I've always wondered how progressives dealt with "mom" and "dad" when it came to different roles they played in their life, as I'm certain, in most cases, the mother exhibited what's considered "motherly" qualities and the dad exhibited "fatherly qualities", and that these behaviors/qualities were not all environmentally created.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:52 PM

#272

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus999

Sexism is awesome!

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:53 PM

#273

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

It’s wild how an accurate description of things you believe makes you lash out emotionally like this.

"lash"? I'm being whimsical.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 09:53 PM

#274

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Yeah, you are still going to have to explain why you don't think progressives would call their parents mom and dad.

Quote

08-01-2019 , 10:03 PM

#275

itshotinvegas

banned

Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 7,899

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Yeah, you are still going to have to explain why you don't think progressives would call their parents mom and dad.

I don't think that. I rather certain most of them call their "mom", mom, and "dad" dad. But, that's embracing an age old stereotype and sexist pronoun. Again, mom is not a simple gender pronoun, it's defined by certain female mothering characteristics. Or, do you call them mom and dad just out of respect for their gender preference, if you ever did discuss it with them (outside that one time you called them by the first name when you were 8)?

Quote

Page 11 of 94

First

6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 21 31 61

Last

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 11 of 94

First

6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 21 31 61

Last