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Richer people already get more say in how our capitalist systems function.

I wouldn't support a weighted system but agreeing for a moment - Excellent idea! those who pay more income tax should have lower weights.

If they enforced antitrust and anti monopoly laws you could break up the really rich corporations...

Then we could vote based on how much taxes you pay once the corpotacracy dissolves

Small business owners would become more powerful, big business would dissolve and I think that’s a good thing

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09-22-2020 , 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

The Satanic-like Death Cult Leftists think those opposing the killing of unborn babies are "religious nutcases."

The Lefties (rightly) decry thousands of "kids in cages" in "Concentration Camps", but have, as an act of pure evil, elevated a woman killing her unborn baby as a "right."

Edit: Emperor Nero would be proud of 21st-century leftists. Kindred spirits.

Have you considered moving somewhere more in line with your beliefs?

Also, lol@ the silly lefty ****. The boom booms went on an epic run--total bloodbath. They should be lecturing exactly no one and kinda come off sounding like the people who drank etc everyday for 30+yrs and now want to tell other people they shouldn't do it at all lol. Most of the people I personally know who have had/paid for multiple abortions are conservative. So spare us the self-righteous bs.

Not like we need to go back to Nero to find legal abortions--we can just go back to the old days here

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09-22-2020 , 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

You know which party actually reduces abortions? Democrats, via comprehensive sex education and promoting easy access to birth control. As a bonus, they also support comprehensive prenatal care for expectant mothers, protecting mother and fetus alike. If the support for the unborn was actually a principle you cared about, you'd vote straight ticket Democrat.

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09-22-2020 , 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rjr777

I like this idea..

People with no money are usually bums and should have no say like the majority of hyenas on this site

Republicans would never allow this. NYC, SF, LA, Chi etc would be all that matter. White Non college educated flyover yambags on welfare are pretty much the only core republican voter left in the Trump era.

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09-22-2020 , 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wet work

Have you considered moving somewhere more in line with your beliefs?

I am a native Californian. I love California and don't plan to leave.

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Also, lol@ the silly lefty ****. The boom booms went on an epic run--total bloodbath. They should be lecturing exactly no one and kinda come off sounding like the people who drank etc everyday for 30+yrs and now want to tell other people they shouldn't do it at all lol. Most of the people I personally know who have had/paid for multiple abortions are conservative. So spare us the self-righteous bs.

I agree that the Boomers (my generation) have done more to wreck this country than any generation ever.

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09-22-2020 , 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wet work

Have you considered moving somewhere more in line with your beliefs?

I hear the beaches in North Korea are banging this time of year.

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09-22-2020 , 07:47 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Against-Democ.../dp/0691162603

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Against Democracy
In this trenchant book, Brennan argues that democracy should be judged by its results―and the results are not good enough. Just as defendants have a right to a fair trial, citizens have a right to competent government. But democracy is the rule of the ignorant and the irrational, and it all too often falls short. Furthermore, no one has a fundamental right to any share of political power, and exercising political power does most of us little good. On the contrary, a wide range of social science research shows that political participation and democratic deliberation actually tend to make people worse―more irrational, biased, and mean. Given this grim picture, Brennan argues that a new system of government―epistocracy, the rule of the knowledgeable―may be better than democracy, and that it's time to experiment and find out.

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Preface
Against Democracy is in a sense the third part in a trilogy of books, including 2011’s The Ethics of Voting and 2014’s Compulsory Voting: For and Against. While Against Politics takes up themes from the other two, it defends the most ambitious claims. My half of Compulsory Voting argues that compulsory voting is unjustified. The Ethics of Voting maintains that the best ways to exercise civic virtue occur outside politics, and that most citizens have a moral obligation to refrain from voting, even if they have a right to vote. This work goes further. For that reason, if the reasoning here fails, that doesn’t mean the arguments in the other books do. Here I’ll contend that if the facts turn out the right way, some people ought not have the right to vote, or ought to have weaker voting rights than others.

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09-23-2020 , 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wet work

I have no self-righteousness at all. I am a sinner, saved by grace. The only righteousness I possess is the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. I am not better than anyone on this planet. However, by God's grace, I am better off by having received the mercy of God merely by trusting in his Son, Jesus Christ, for my salvation.

God's mercy is available to everyone.

(T)hat if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9 (NKJV)

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09-23-2020 , 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

paging the name-calling police. bueller... bueller... bueller...

Hey, if name-calling violated the TOS, and was strictly enforced by the moderators, about half of all the posts in this Forum would get deleted.

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09-23-2020 , 07:49 AM

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You know which party actually reduces abortions? Democrats, via comprehensive sex education and promoting easy access to birth control. As a bonus, they also support comprehensive prenatal care for expectant mothers, protecting mother and fetus alike. If the support for the unborn was actually a principle you cared about, you'd vote straight ticket Democrat.

Here is true "comprehensive sex education":

1. Guys: Only have sex with your wife.

2. Gals: Only have sex with your husband.

3. Everyone: Respect God, your mate and yourself by remaining sexually pure until marriage.

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09-23-2020 , 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

I am a native Californian. I love California and don't plan to leave.

But maybe an extended field trip down to the heart of the Bible Belt will make you realize that's not really the vibe you want to establish. Besides there are more than enough wacky christians in CA as it is--you can't toss a rock w/o hitting a former tweaker(at least temporarily

) turned man of God.

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09-23-2020 , 11:31 AM

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Sounds horrible.

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09-23-2020 , 11:43 AM

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This is probably the optimal form of "comprehensive sex education" if your goal is to maximise the total number of abortions taking place.

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09-23-2020 , 11:52 AM

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Meanwhile a bunch of the modern conservatives I know say--lol marriage is a Scam

Probably a conclusion they arrived at by either seeing their/their friend's boomer(who were rebelling against conservative social mores themselves

) parents getting divorced like crazy w/ all the related problems.

Maybe all those creepy head trips about sex etc are how all those R guys end up in a cage in the corner while some dude is railing their wife/gf

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09-23-2020 , 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

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09-23-2020 , 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

God's mercy is available to everyone.

Why does your "god" not come down and smite some evil doers? He used to be a badass.

FFS you believe that he killed the entire world population (except Noah and family) because he knew everyone was "bad", amirite? Does his mercy include drowning children gasping for air? Couldn't he just make them disappear painlessly?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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09-23-2020 , 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wet work

Maybe all those creepy head trips about sex etc are how all those R guys end up in a cage in the corner while some dude is railing their wife/gf

Or maybe swords were crossed but saying he was just "watching" was more palatable to his "flock"

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09-23-2020 , 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Yeah, turns out this doesn't work. We know that for a fact. Relying on this teaching increases abortions. Sounds like rather than actually having a principled opposition to abortion, your real principle is wanting to punish women for having sex.

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09-23-2020 , 01:42 PM

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It's a conundrum (most) religious conservatives would do well to consider: That their approach to abortions and sex education / morals by all available data leads to more abortions.

Is it the principle (a legislative and political crackdown on sexual "immorality" and abortion) you want or the consequence (less abortions), there seems to be no "both".

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09-23-2020 , 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Here is true "comprehensive sex education":

1. Guys: Only have sex with your wife.

2. Gals: Only have sex with your husband.

3. Everyone: Respect God, your mate and yourself by remaining sexually pure until marriage.

it makes perfect sense that almighty god with infinte power as nothing more to do than to focus on the pee-pee of a intelligent ape living on a planet, singled out from billions of other planets in 1 galaxy that is surrounded by billions other galaxy's.

With all the thing he could do, that was one of the main reason to create the universe because a pee-pee can actually affect some quantum mechanic laws or something like that.

Makes total sense ...

ps: way more sense to believe that than instead maybe religion is an invention of man and have those rules to control other men.
Yeah that is way more unbelievable, shrug...

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09-23-2020 , 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cfreaks

Everybody dies at some point.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. - Romans 6:23

Eternity is too long to be wrong!

God doesn't generally explain to us sinners why He does things the way He does.

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09-23-2020 , 09:10 PM

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d2_e4

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Hey, I have another idea to reduce abortions. Sodomy. Thoughts?

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09-23-2020 , 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

God doesn't generally explain to us sinners why He does things the way He does.

Kind of a dick move, tbh.

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09-23-2020 , 11:31 PM

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cfreaks

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Frank said it best:

After all, He wrote this book here an' in the Book He says:
"He made us all to be just like Him,"
So... If we're dumb... Then God is dumb...
An' maybe even a little bit ugly on the side

DUMB ALL OVER – a little ugly on the side
DUMB ALL OVER – a little ugly on the side
DUMB ALL OVER – a little ugly on the side

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09-24-2020 , 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lagtight

Everybody dies at some point.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. - Romans 6:23

Eternity is too long to be wrong!

God doesn't generally explain to us sinners why He does things the way He does.

Actually real eternity would make sure it is not, you would see all the spectrum of possibility eventually.

Unless the universe is eternal but than, if the universe is eternal, what makes god so special.....
We are back to "the chicken or the egg first paradox"

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