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Conservatives: What are your principles? Conservatives: What are your principles?

07-27-2019 , 01:34 PM
This is a thread for conservatives to state what they stand for.
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07-27-2019 , 01:53 PM
Only bet when you can afford to lose. Only bet when you're over 70%. O you meaning politics
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07-27-2019 , 02:05 PM
Why isn’t Jordan Peterson on This List of the World’s Top Fifty Intellectuals?

https://quillette.com/2019/07/26/why...intellectuals/
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07-27-2019 , 02:21 PM
First two replies are jokes. That pretty much says it all. They don't have any.
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07-27-2019 , 02:27 PM
microbet been pestering me to spell out my leanings. However, I'm travelling for a few days so won't be till next week. Not that many care.
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07-27-2019 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
Why isn’t Jordan Peterson on This List of the World’s Top Fifty Intellectuals?

https://quillette.com/2019/07/26/why...intellectuals/
Did you post this in the wrong thread?

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microbet been pestering me to spell out my leanings. However, I'm travelling for a few days so won't be till next week. Not that many care.
I look forward to this.
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07-27-2019 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
Why isn’t Jordan Peterson on This List of the World’s Top Fifty Intellectuals?

https://quillette.com/2019/07/26/why...intellectuals/
This must be Peterson/Shapiro fans biggest let down. I mean the gender gap lady, the reparations guy, Kate Manne who destroyed Peterson, a couple climate activists, Soros!, AOC!

I’m sure you’ll all just be like “well they don’t respect the Real dork web guys.. if they did our heroes would totally be on it.”
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07-27-2019 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nittery
This is a thread for conservatives to state what they stand for.
Fundamentally, my conservatism is based on the belief that some weighted average of global total and average utility has likely been higher over the last twenty years than any previous twenty-year span. I also have a lower than average credence towards most ideologies, including my own. I also think that while long-run history probably bends towards justice, it is not a smooth curve. Thus, I am cautious about radical changes to the way things are currently being done.

I don't think this really qualifies me to being a conservative in the American sense of the word. The conservative ideology that has animated the GOP and movement conservativism over the last few decades is imo more typically a radical rightwing one, with many rightwing conservatives allying themselves to it because of their fear of leftwing radicals, and I'm more sympathetic towards leftwing than rightwing ideologues. However, in a practical political sense, I do have some conservative heuristics guiding my thinking about politics and so am typically cautious of supporting radical policy changes.
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07-27-2019 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nittery
This is a thread for conservatives to state what they stand for.
Truth, Autonomy, Freedom, Self-determination, Knowledge, and Inductive Reasoning.

I'm probably not really a conservative but if I find a dish at a restaurant that I like I tend to stick with it instead of trying something new.
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07-27-2019 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus999
Why isn’t Jordan Peterson on This List of the World’s Top Fifty Intellectuals?

https://quillette.com/2019/07/26/why...intellectuals/
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07-27-2019 , 07:08 PM
Oakshottian suspicion of people promising easy fixed
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07-27-2019 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
First two replies are jokes. That pretty much says it all. They don't have any.
Less than an hour and already a lock it up football spiking.
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07-27-2019 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WaitingForMPJ
Less than an hour and already a lock it up football spiking.
It's six hours later and we still have no serious replies from a conservative.

At what point can I spike the football?

Or are you going to indulge us with your conservative principles?
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07-27-2019 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
It's six hours later and we still have no serious replies from a conservative.

At what point can I spike the football?

Or are you going to indulge us with your conservative principles?

From what I gather, the most ideological conservative is banned right now. It's likely the remaining are more libertarian than conservative. I'm mean, I'm not purely conservative either.
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07-27-2019 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm mean, I'm not purely conservative either.
Are you a Trump supporter?

We can substitute "Trump supporter" for "conservative" in the original question.
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07-27-2019 , 08:12 PM
Considering the Male Disposability Hypothesis

https://quillette.com/2019/06/03/con...ty-hypothesis/

-Men's rights is definitely a principle that is not being addressed enough IMO.
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07-27-2019 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
It's six hours later and we still have no serious replies from a conservative.

At what point can I spike the football?
6 hours isn't exactly a long time. But also, if you take the results of the political typology survey I linked the other day at face value (probably some selection bias, but whatever), then OP might not be asking the question in the right place:

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07-27-2019 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Are you a Trump supporter?

We can substitute "Trump supporter" for "conservative" in the original question.
No.
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07-27-2019 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Fundamentally, my conservatism is based on the belief that some weighted average of global total and average utility has likely been higher over the last twenty years than any previous twenty-year span. I also have a lower than average credence towards most ideologies, including my own. I also think that while long-run history probably bends towards justice, it is not a smooth curve. Thus, I am cautious about radical changes to the way things are currently being done.

I don't think this really qualifies me to being a conservative in the American sense of the word. The conservative ideology that has animated the GOP and movement conservativism over the last few decades is imo more typically a radical rightwing one, with many rightwing conservatives allying themselves to it because of their fear of leftwing radicals, and I'm more sympathetic towards leftwing than rightwing ideologues. However, in a practical political sense, I do have some conservative heuristics guiding my thinking about politics and so am typically cautious of supporting radical policy changes.
Good response and yet

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Originally Posted by eyebooger
It's six hours later and we still have no serious replies from a conservative.

At what point can I spike the football?


Or are you going to indulge us with your conservative principles?
Can’t be heard over the cacophony of the liberal echo-chamber.
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07-27-2019 , 10:52 PM
As far as aphorisms go "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" sounds pretty conservative. I think there is an amount of that that is true but there are bad intentions too and that's what people have trouble with.

There is also: "Socialism leads to the gulags, fascism leads to the gas chambers, and neoliberalism leads to the soup kitchens".
So conservatism could be seen as trying to slow that march, although for the most part they are just neoliberals.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 07-27-2019 at 10:59 PM.
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07-27-2019 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
As far as aphorisms go "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" sounds pretty conservative. I think there is an amount of that that is true but there are bad intentions too and that's what people have trouble with.
Since we know that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven, we've learned which way the heavy traffic flows.
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07-28-2019 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
It's six hours later and we still have no serious replies from a conservative.

At what point can I spike the football?

Or are you going to indulge us with your conservative principles?
Most likely conservatives are to busy being normal productive people to argue their values on a liberal sub form of a poker forum.
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07-28-2019 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86


Most likely conservatives are to busy being normal productive people to argue their values on a liberal sub form of a poker forum.
And yet they've always got time to talk about Hillary's emails...
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07-28-2019 , 12:09 PM
Low taxes. We're all for that right?

Then why the largest military spending of all time?

Why tax breaks for the top 10% vs eliminating taxes for the bottom 50%?
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07-28-2019 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Fundamentally, my conservatism is based on the belief that some weighted average of global total and average utility has likely been higher over the last twenty years than any previous twenty-year span. I also have a lower than average credence towards most ideologies, including my own. I also think that while long-run history probably bends towards justice, it is not a smooth curve. Thus, I am cautious about radical changes to the way things are currently being done.

I don't think this really qualifies me to being a conservative in the American sense of the word. The conservative ideology that has animated the GOP and movement conservativism over the last few decades is imo more typically a radical rightwing one, with many rightwing conservatives allying themselves to it because of their fear of leftwing radicals, and I'm more sympathetic towards leftwing than rightwing ideologues. However, in a practical political sense, I do have some conservative heuristics guiding my thinking about politics and so am typically cautious of supporting radical policy changes.
Is this really to be called "conservatism"? I agree with all three of your premises (hopefully I'm not patting my back on the second), and, I suppose, your conclusion too, but wouldn't call myself "a conservative". From what you wrote this seems more like a sort of "don't rock the boat too much" pragmatism, which could be consistent with more liberal or more conservative views.

Perhaps this is better rooted in some specifics. Probably the most disruptive major policy proposal from the 2020 candidates is medicare for all. I can see a pragmatic argument against this proposal that says that despite similar policies seeming effective in other countries, this is too disruptive too fast, we don't know what exactly will happen, and better to do a smaller step like create a public option, or shore up obamacare, for the next decade. But outside of the tendency to some pragmatic hesitation on radical changes, this isn't really getting to core principles on a conservative vs liberal spectrum of some sort. Sure, I grant you aren't claiming a position on typical american political spectrum with this post, but I'm a bit lost on what meaningfully you are claiming.
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