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Conservative/GOP Economic Positions.  Has a single one survived the test of time? Conservative/GOP Economic Positions.  Has a single one survived the test of time?

10-21-2021 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
It's not like we WANT to blame black people. Statistics are what they are.
And yet no statistics back you up.

Just your belief those statistics exist does.
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10-21-2021 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And yet no statistics back you up.

Just your belief those statistics exist does.
Once again, I'm not going to post data for you to dig relentlessly to find other data to try to counter it and back up your agenda. I'll leave that to the professional hateful people such as yourself.
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10-21-2021 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
It's not like we WANT to blame black people. Statistics are what they are.
So was the other line they used all those years just a lie?

And fwiw black people on the whole have a Far better case for being done dirty in this country. They've been here a lot longer than many while at the same time actually being boxed out of access to a fair cut of the wealth.
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10-21-2021 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
So was the other line they used all those years just a lie?
Not sure what you're referring to, but believe whatever you believe buddy. Don't let hateful people like Cuepee and RKelly change your mind.
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10-21-2021 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Not sure what you're referring to, but believe whatever you believe buddy. Don't let hateful people like Cuepee and RKelly change your mind.
So you weren't alive and apparently aren't even aware that was the standard line for ages yet still confidently just dismiss it. lol
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10-21-2021 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
So you weren't alive and apparently aren't even aware that was the standard line for ages yet still confidently just dismiss it. lol
I'm not one to dwell on things that happened before I was born. Once again, leave that to hateful people.
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10-21-2021 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Once again, I'm not going to post data for you to dig relentlessly to find other data to try to counter it and back up your agenda. I'll leave that to the professional hateful people such as yourself.
It is a common tactic by those with no proof and why you have been banned no less than 5 times from this and other forums.

So, well done.
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10-21-2021 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
It is a common tactic by those with no proof and why you have been banned no less than 5 times from this and other forums.

So, well done.
Been banned one time by an extremely biased mod. But you have all the answers, right? It is a common tactic by hateful people to think they know everything.
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10-21-2021 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Been banned one time by an extremely biased mod. But you have all the answers, right? It is a common tactic by hateful people to think they know everything.
I don't have all the answers but I do have the facts and they are easy to prove. You are not being truthful about the one nor the reason.
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10-21-2021 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I don't have all the answers but I do have the facts and they are easy to prove. You are not being truthful about the one nor the reason.
You don't have facts. You find a bunch of stuff online that doesn't fit your agenda, so you dismiss it. Then you FINALLY find something that does fit your agenda and you call it the gospel. Worst part about all of this is that you think anything online is reliable. Either way, lol @ you.
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10-21-2021 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I'm not one to dwell on things that happened before I was born. Once again, leave that to hateful people.
South--black people are ruining our economy

Also the South--we need black people to support us and we're willing to fight a war to keep it that way

It should kinda go without saying but the past does play a role in the current state of things.
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10-21-2021 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
South--black people are ruining our economy

Also the South--we need black people to support us and we're willing to fight a war to keep it that way

It should kinda go without saying but the past does play a role in the current state of things.
I tend to worry more about the present than the past. You can't change the past, so let it go. You can change the present and the future.
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10-21-2021 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
You don't have facts. You find a bunch of stuff online that doesn't fit your agenda, so you dismiss it. Then you FINALLY find something that does fit your agenda and you call it the gospel. Worst part about all of this is that you think anything online is reliable. Either way, lol @ you.
But i do have facts and they were easily found. So there is that.

But funny how you don't see how you post better fits your view and that your "belief" is all you need to call something facts.
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10-21-2021 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
But i do have facts and they were easily found. So there is that.

But funny how you don't see how you post better fits your view and that your "belief" is all you need to call something facts.
It's funny that you derail your own thread with this **** measuring contest with me. LOL

So simple to ignore and walk away, but you can't help yourself. Hate is in your heart and it just wants out so badly.
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10-21-2021 , 10:45 AM
cuepee is one of the least hateful posters on this site.

He's also showing you respect by engaging you.

I know you're just playing a character of course. But you're overdoing it at this point.

It's starting to strain credibility.
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10-21-2021 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
cuepee is one of the least hateful posters on this site.

He's also showing you respect by engaging you.

I know you're just playing a character of course. But you're overdoing it at this point.

It's starting to strain credibility.
Y'all are the fools that keep replying to me. Just go away and it's done. Credibility? Dude, you're promoting leftist trash on a poker forum. LOL
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10-21-2021 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I tend to worry more about the present than the past. You can't change the past, so let it go. You can change the present and the future.
I mean for some things it's a solid approach. But when say talking about something like the socio-economic situation wrt to black people here--it matters imo anyway. We've dragged large chunks of blck people from every post-cw gen off to jail/blocked access to good jobs and wealth etc. Now we're going to sit here and blame you for our problems(that we had a big role in creating). Pretending like that past hasn't played a role/not being willing to address it just kinda starts to look more like a strategy for continuing the same course.

But creating those problems was the goal and they've achieved the desired results. If you actually want to establish a different goal it's probably a good idea to use the past(and let's be real it's still an ongoing thing hardly just in the past) as part of the decision-making. Even on the most simplistic level it makes sense. Hey we were going this way but that's not getting us where we wanted--maybe we should change directions and go that way
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10-21-2021 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
I mean for some things it's a solid approach. But when say talking about something like the socio-economic situation wrt to black people here--it matters imo anyway. We've dragged large chunks of blck people from every post-cw gen off to jail/blocked access to good jobs and wealth etc. Now we're going to sit here and blame you for our problems(that we had a big role in creating). Pretending like that past hasn't played a role/not being willing to address it just kinda starts to look more like a strategy for continuing the same course.

But creating those problems was the goal and they've achieved the desired results. If you actually want to establish a different goal it's probably a good idea to use the past(and let's be real it's still an ongoing thing hardly just in the past) as part of the decision-making. Even on the most simplistic level it makes sense. Hey we were going this way but that's not getting us where we wanted--maybe we should change directions and go that way
Nonetheless, dwelling on the past changes nothing whether it had something to do with the present or not. So I don't dwell on it. All we can do is change the present in hopes of a better future.
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10-21-2021 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Nonetheless, dwelling on the past changes nothing whether it had something to do with the present or not. So I don't dwell on it. All we can do is change the present in hopes of a better future...while blaming the Blacks for the problems wrongly while telling them we don't want to consider the past impacts. .
FTFY.

Surely you have devised the key to creating a better future.
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10-21-2021 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
FTFY.

Surely you have devised the key to creating a better future.
Repeating the same thing over and over and over.....and over.....and over is not helping change the future, Cuepee. But you do you. Haters gotta hate.
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10-21-2021 , 11:21 AM
Ugh.

Everyone else: blah, blah, blah, blah, reasons, blah, blah, blah, racism is bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah

Nick: No, you.

Let's have intelligent conversation moving forward please. Both sides may argue facts OR beliefs.... but no content crapola will be deleted
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10-21-2021 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Ugh.

Everyone else: blah, blah, blah, blah, reasons, blah, blah, blah, racism is bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah

Nick: No, you.

Let's have intelligent conversation moving forward please. Both sides may argue facts OR beliefs.... but no content crapola will be deleted
Understood, but note that every time someone directs their hatred towards me, I will reply.
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10-21-2021 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Understood, but note that every time someone directs their hatred towards me, I will reply.
I left this off-topic to prove a point.

Your reply here is off topic

o f f t o p i c
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10-21-2021 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I would defer to someone like Tame to comment on the UUSR but my understanding is that despite apparently keeping pace with the US and West in terms of productivity and growth, they were doing so in a way that was not sustainable.

An example would be you and I are neighbours. We seem to enjoy the same middle class life growing into upper middle class. As I buy a new cars, take nice trips with the family, etc so do you.

But I am managing my finances well. I have the income to pay for it. You are using credit cards and piling on deaths and soon it will not only not be sustainable but you will have to cut back.

Instead of cutting back you take over forcibly a neighbours household that is better run than yours. You now control their income making, take their resources and blend your debt in with them. It is a temporary fix but your bad spending habits soon doom you again and force you to do it again.


The point being that it was not the USSR trying to 'take over the World' that was the issue that harmed their productivity. They were doomed on their own on the path they were on. Trying to 'take over the world' was how they were trying to hide the issues within and save themselves.
What they were doing post WWII wasn't much different than what we were doing during the war, i.e., running a command economy. Aside from the loss of liberty, I don't think they're any more or less effective than a free market economy so long as the talent to run them and burearacratic efficiency remain the same.
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It is so short sighted as it it piling money into a select few who already have more than they can spend who mostly offshore it or put it away for generational wealth for their families.
It's not like they have their wealth buried in the backyard. Their wealth mostly resides in our country's means of production, in one form or another. So whether Walmart is owned by a few Waltons or all of its employees doesn't really matter, since that goose isn't getting eaten anyway. What's actually short sighted is eating the goose by spending (potential) profits on consumption rather than reinvesting them in more efficient means of production.
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10-21-2021 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
What they were doing post WWII wasn't much different than what we were doing during the war, i.e., running a command economy. Aside from the loss of liberty, I don't think they're any more or less effective than a free market economy so long as the talent to run them and burearacratic efficiency remain the same.


It's not like they have their wealth buried in the backyard. Their wealth mostly resides in our country's means of production, in one form or another. So whether Walmart is owned by a few Waltons or all of its employees doesn't really matter, since that goose isn't getting eaten anyway. What's actually short sighted is eating the goose by spending (potential) profits on consumption rather than reinvesting them in more efficient means of production.
Disagree.

Increasingly companies are cash hording...

- Walmart cash on hand for 2021 was $17.741B, a 87.44% increase from 2020.
- Walmart cash on hand for 2020 was $9.465B, a 22.57% increase from 2019.
- Walmart cash on hand for 2019 was $7.722B, a 14.3% increase from 2018.
Cite

Paying out an increasing amount in Dividends



Or increasing Stock BuyBacks




... which means they do not see the benefit or a path of Superior Returns by instead investing in the Means of Production, hiring more people and expanding their operations.

Back in the early Buffet Days a company focusing on any of those 3 was considered a bad warning sign that they did not believe in the future and that growth was achievable. It would hurt the stock value as it would be seen as a short term gain at long term expense (just as gutting R&D used to be considered bad) and since stocks were not actively traded you wanted the long term strategy in place.

But as the market became more short term focused and people became more active traders of their accounts the view switched to more short term gains, because if the long term view of a company was hurt, who cares as I will be on to the next stock.


So the result is, that when you funnel more money to the uber rich or corporations they horde it or have to redeploy it outside the country. It causes contraction in society.

If that wealth is given directly to the Walmart employees instead (they get a tax break instead of the Waltons and Walmart getting a tax break) it immediately goes back in to the economy and spurs actual growth and expansion.
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