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Conservative/GOP Economic Positions.  Has a single one survived the test of time? Conservative/GOP Economic Positions.  Has a single one survived the test of time?

10-20-2021 , 12:15 PM
Stats don't lie but people can and do cherry pick stats creating a narrative that is a lie all the time. Surely you are not so dumb that you do not know that.

For instance it is a legit Stat that the commonality across WV and the other poor States is the GOP. It is a stat that the rich White ones are Dem states.

Those are stats. How one represents that data can be true or a lie.
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10-20-2021 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Stats don't lie but people can and do cherry pick stats creating a narrative that is a lie all the time. Surely you are not so dumb that you do not know that.

For instance it is a legit Stat that the commonality across WV and the other poor States is the GOP. It is a stat that the rich White ones are Dem states.

Those are stats. How one represents that data can be true or a lie.
Once again, take them how you will take them and I'll take them how I'll take them. Along with about half of the country. Just be happy doing it. Who the hell cares?
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10-20-2021 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I used words like "most" for a reason, but your answer is to pick out the one state that works for your agenda and that is the gospel? This is why this forum is so toxic.

As for "whites are even better at being more poor", sure.....if you eliminate most wealthy states. Then maybe you have a case.


Yeah, those whites making 75% of the national average per capita in Mississippi don't lower the average at all.

Do you actually know what math is ?

Asking for a friend.
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10-20-2021 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Stats don't lie. Ignorance is no excuse.
So give us a statistical proof of some sort.

So far you've said 'math' and 'google'. That's not really a proof.
Also, you didn't actually spell out your hypothesis very clearly.
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10-20-2021 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Yeah, those whites making 75% of the national average per capita in Mississippi don't lower the average at all.

Do you actually know what math is ?

Asking for a friend.
More than you. By far.

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
So give us a statistical proof of some sort.

So far you've said 'math' and 'google'. That's not really a proof.
Also, you didn't actually spell out your hypothesis very clearly.
Didn't know I was supposed to do the Google work for you. You'll have to do that yourself. Unfortunately with me working as a high income earning white man, my place of employment blocks those sites. Awwww shucks.
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10-20-2021 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I won't answer the rest of your questions because they would be based on opinion and I don't want to enrage the liberals in here (well, more than they are already enraged on a daily basis), but I will answer this one based on facts that you can easily Google. Most of the states on the list of poorest states are in the south and yes, Republican. Also, those same states have the highest percentage of blacks compared to the rest of the US. You do the math.

The exception on the list is New Mexico which is a Democrat state and is among the poorest. A simple Google search will tell you that nearly 48% of New Mexico's population is Latino which is the highest percentage in the country. Once again, you do the math.

Now lets dip into the wealthiest states in the US. Most are Democrat, agreed. They also have very high percentage of whites especially in the areas that generate the most money. So in conclusion, you do the math.

Note this is all based on fact and not opinion that you can easily Google yourself.
I did google this. Here's a list of the ten poorest states by GDP p/capita in descending order and the percentage of their population that is black:

-Mississippi (38%)
-Arkansas (15%)
-West Virginia (4%)
-Idaho (1%)
-Alabama (27%)
-South Carolina (27%)
-Kentucky (8%)
-Montana (1%)
-Utah (1%)
-New Mexico (2%)

12% of the US population is black, which means that three of these states are well above the national average, one is slightly above average, one is slightly below average, and five are well below average. Meanwhile, all of these states are solid GOP states except for New Mexico, which is purple.

The correlation of low income states with GOP control is much stronger than for percentage of black population.

As for top ten (I actually list eleven by including DC) richest states by GDP p/capita from richest with percentage of white (non-Hispanic) population:

-DC (37%)
-NY (56%)
-Massachusetts (72%)
-Connecticut (67%)
-California (37%)
-Washington (69%)
-Delaware (62%)
-Alaska (61%)
-North Dakota (84%)
-New Jersey (55%)
-Maryland (51%)

National average of non-Hispanic white population is 60%, so of these states 3-4 are significantly whiter than average, 3 are signficantly less white than average, and the rest are in the middle. No correlation here with whiteness and higher incomes. And if you include Hispanic whites, then the correlation goes negative (most of these states are then below the national average white population).

So, your claims were not based in fact, but rather your false assumptions about black and white people in America. Not impressive, high income earning white man.
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10-20-2021 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
I did google this. Here's a list of the ten poorest states by GDP p/capita in descending order and the percentage of their population that is black:

-Mississippi (38%)
-Arkansas (15%)
-West Virginia (4%)
-Idaho (1%)
-Alabama (27%)
-South Carolina (27%)
-Kentucky (8%)
-Montana (1%)
-Utah (1%)
-New Mexico (2%)

12% of the US population is black, which means that three of these states are well above the national average, one is slightly above average, one is slightly below average, and five are well below average. Meanwhile, all of these states are solid GOP states except for New Mexico, which is purple.

The correlation of low income states with GOP control is much stronger than for percentage of black population.

As for top ten (I actually list eleven by including DC) richest states by GDP p/capita from richest with percentage of white (non-Hispanic) population:

-DC (37%)
-NY (56%)
-Massachusetts (72%)
-Connecticut (67%)
-California (37%)
-Washington (69%)
-Delaware (62%)
-Alaska (61%)
-North Dakota (84%)
-New Jersey (55%)
-Maryland (51%)

National average of non-Hispanic white population is 60%, so of these states 3-4 are significantly whiter than average, 3 are signficantly less white than average, and the rest are in the middle. No correlation here with whiteness and higher incomes. And if you include Hispanic whites, then the correlation goes negative (most of these states are then below the national average white population).

So, your claims were not based in fact, but rather your false assumptions about black and white people in America. Not impressive, high income earning white man.
As one of the above trolls said, it is how you interpret the information. You chose to have certain facts stick out that support your agenda. And New Mexico purple? LOL. That state is solid blue. With the exception of one slip-up in 2004 re-electing President Bush, New Mexico voted with the Democrats in every election for the past 30 years.

Last edited by nick619; 10-20-2021 at 02:16 PM.
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10-20-2021 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
As one of the above trolls said, it is how you interpret the information. You chose to have certain facts stick out that support your agenda. And New Mexico purple? LOL. That state is solid blue.
I see you are another postmodern conservative that doesn't believe in the truth, but only in interpretation. Facts and truth should guide our political claims. I'm addressing directly the factual claims you made about the connection between state-level income and ethnicity. If you make a factual claim, defend it, don't give me this BS about it just being opinion.

As for New Mexico, it does tilt blue these days, but I still consider it purple - as recently as 2016 Democrats only got 48% of the presidential vote, and if the Hispanic vote continues to trend back towards the GOP it could be in play in 2024. But I don't mind if you consider it blue, that seems defensible.
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10-20-2021 , 02:23 PM
Someone link the stats on red v blue voting patterns in the cities with the highest volume of human feces on public streets. The libs clearly love wallowing in literal ****.

I mean, as long as we're citing statistics that don't really tell the full story.

Edit: Or one of the many articles about how conservatives live happier lives than liberals. Stop trying to bring everyone down to your level, libs.
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10-20-2021 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
I see you are another postmodern conservative that doesn't believe in the truth, but only in interpretation. Facts and truth should guide our political claims. I'm addressing directly the factual claims you made about the connection between state-level income and ethnicity. If you make a factual claim, defend it, don't give me this BS about it just being opinion.

As for New Mexico, it does tilt blue these days, but I still consider it purple - as recently as 2016 Democrats only got 48% of the presidential vote, and if the Hispanic vote continues to trend back towards the GOP it could be in play in 2024. But I don't mind if you consider it blue, that seems defensible.
You purposely chose to weigh states by "GDP p/capita" to get the result you wanted and eliminate some very clear poverty-level states. Like I said, you chose stats that lifted your agenda.

And yes. New Mexico is blue. As for 2016, who the hell would want Hillary Clinton as President? Chalk that up to a lot enough people using common sense vs voting with party, but nonetheless they still voted blue.

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Originally Posted by Inso0
Someone link the stats on red v blue voting patterns in the cities with the highest volume of human feces on public streets. The libs clearly love wallowing in literal ****.

I mean, as long as we're citing statistics that don't really tell the full story.

Edit: Or one of the many articles about how conservatives live happier lives than liberals. Stop trying to bring everyone down to your level, libs.
It is what they do, man. And we're apparently nothing but racist trumptard conspiracy theorists. Half of the country apparently.
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10-20-2021 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
You purposely chose to weigh states by "GDP p/capita" to get the result you wanted and eliminate some very clear poverty-level states. Like I said, you chose stats that lifted your agenda.
GDP p/capita is a standard way to measure average income. I'm not sure what other statistics you think we should be using. For instance, if we go by smallest total GDP, that is much worse for your case as that mostly just lists small population states that are mostly whiter than average:

-Vermont
-Wyoming
-Alaska
-Montana
-South Dakota
-Rhode Island
-North Dakota
-Maine
-Delaware
-West Virginia
-Hawaii

And these states are not even particularly poor, with four of them having an above average GDP p/capita.

It is true that Texas both has a very high total GDP and is a red state, but it is only 41% non-Hispanic white, well below the national average. Florida is also a high GDP state that has recently voted red, but I assume we can both agree it is a purple state and it also has a below national average non-Hispanic white population of 53%.

Anyway, I don't really have an agenda here. You made some claims about the connection between income and ethnicity in the US which I thought were false, and so I attempted to show this by using standard income statistics. If you still think your claims are correct, then demonstrate this using whatever metric you prefer.
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10-20-2021 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
GDP p/capita is a standard way to measure average income. I'm not sure what other statistics you think we should be using. For instance, if we go by smallest total GDP, that is much worse for your case as that mostly just lists small population states that are mostly whiter than average:

-Vermont
-Wyoming
-Alaska
-Montana
-South Dakota
-Rhode Island
-North Dakota
-Maine
-Delaware
-West Virginia
-Hawaii

And these states are not even particularly poor, with four of them having an above average GDP p/capita.

It is true that Texas both has a very high total GDP and is a red state, but it is only 41% non-Hispanic white, well below the national average. Florida is also a high GDP state that has recently voted red, but I assume we can both agree it is a purple state and it also has a below national average non-Hispanic white population of 53%.

Anyway, I don't really have an agenda here. You made some claims about the connection between income and ethnicity in the US which I thought were false, and so I attempted to show this by using standard income statistics. If you still think your claims are correct, then demonstrate this using whatever metric you prefer.
I'm not here to debate brainwashed leftists: on the contrary, I'm here to laugh at them.
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10-20-2021 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I'm not here to debate brainwashed leftists: on the contrary, I'm here to laugh at them.
Okay.
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10-20-2021 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
As one of the above trolls said, it is how you interpret the information. You chose to have certain facts stick out that support your agenda. And New Mexico purple? LOL. That state is solid blue. With the exception of one slip-up in 2004 re-electing President Bush, New Mexico voted with the Democrats in every election for the past 30 years.
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Originally Posted by nick619
I'm not here to debate brainwashed leftists: on the contrary, I'm here to laugh at them.
And yet he addressed your stats in the context you presented them.

So it just shows that you Facts and Stats mean nothing to you as you said "...I will believe what I want to believe...."

And I would hazard a guess that the guy who gave you that info that you assume is a "brainwashed leftist" is more right leaning than you.
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10-20-2021 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And yet he addressed your stats in the context you presented them.

So it just shows that you Facts and Stats mean nothing to you as you said "...I will believe what I want to believe...."

And I would hazard a guess that the guy who gave you that info that you assume is a "brainwashed leftist" is more right leaning than you.
See what I mean? How can you NOT laugh at Cuepee? lol
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10-20-2021 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
More than you. By far.



Didn't know I was supposed to do the Google work for you. You'll have to do that yourself. Unfortunately with me working as a high income earning white man, my place of employment blocks those sites. Awwww shucks.
You're not. You're supposed to present your facts and your conclusion.

So far you presented a half assed claim that the reason R states were poor is because of people of color. You challenged us to research the sources ourselves as if we would come to the same conclusion you did. Some of us have taken your challenge and come up with different conclusions. Then you tried to disagree with us based on your feelings.

I mean, if you're trying to prove conservatives aren't very good at understanding and accepting reality, you're doing a fine job. But if you were trying to make a point....not so much.
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10-20-2021 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
You're not. You're supposed to present your facts and your conclusion.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I'm not supposed to do anything you say. Not. One. Single. Thing.
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10-20-2021 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Someone link the stats on red v blue voting patterns in the cities with the highest volume of human feces on public streets. The libs clearly love wallowing in literal ****.

I mean, as long as we're citing statistics that don't really tell the full story.

Edit: Or one of the many articles about how conservatives live happier lives than liberals. Stop trying to bring everyone down to your level, libs.
You raise an interesting question regarding conservatives.

I'd like to see a statistic regarding the use of flush toiltes per capita in the solid blue cities vs the solid red rural counties and tie that into income per capita.

If only someone would invent a system to use numbers that way ..... think of the possibilities.
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10-20-2021 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I'm not supposed to do anything you say. Not. One. Single. Thing.
You're not supposed to do it because I said so.

You're supposed to do it because that's how adults exchange ideas.

I realize you don't have any ideas and are just barely capable of repeating what you're trained to repeat. Not always in a way that helps your handlers but, I'm sure they're glad to have you.

Translating the last paragraph :

Spoiler:
Everyone here is laughing at you while you pat yourself on the back and imagine you're upsetting us. While at work. I mean.....you don't even try.
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10-20-2021 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
You're not supposed to do it because I said so.

You're supposed to do it because that's how adults exchange ideas.

I realize you don't have any ideas and are just barely capable of repeating what you're trained to repeat. Not always in a way that helps your handlers but, I'm sure they're glad to have you.

Translating the last paragraph :

Spoiler:
Everyone here is laughing at you while you pat yourself on the back and imagine you're upsetting us. While at work. I mean.....you don't even try.
Oh, like us conservatives are laughing at you? Makes sense.
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10-20-2021 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
Oh, like us conservatives are laughing at you? Makes sense.
You say you are often.

But maybe that's another inaccurate post by you. It would be in character.
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10-20-2021 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
You say you are often.

But maybe that's another inaccurate post by you. It would be in character.
I like ignorant people like you. They keep things interesting. But I SHOULD stop replying. These mods will ban me and call it spamming, and ignore your spamming. Biased mods with no life.
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10-20-2021 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
I'd like to see a statistic regarding the use of flush toiltes per capita in the solid blue cities vs the solid red rural counties and tie that into income per capita.
How specific. Is this a fetish of yours? No kink-shaming here, but I couldn't help but notice your name. R Kelly... Flushing Toilets... Diamonds are the hardest material...

You do you, bud. Life is short.
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10-20-2021 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
How specific. Is this a fetish of yours? No kink-shaming here, but I couldn't help but notice your name. R Kelly... Flushing Toilets... Diamonds are the hardest material...

You do you, bud. Life is short.
My name could also relate to a poker hand.
But, you know how abstract concepts are. The reader interprets them through their own mind.
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10-20-2021 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
My name could also relate to a poker hand.
But, you know how abstract concepts are. The reader interprets them through their own mind.

Nah. Inso nailed it.
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