I am confused by your post then.

Are you in opposition to the OP saying all those conservative principles do and are enduring?

Is that a 'nah nah, we conservatives listen to Alt Media (OAN, etc)' as a superior argument defense?

Question is sincere as it it clear currently that OAN, etc can push almost anything out to the right currently and it is instantly a platform stance by the faithful.

It's funny that you think replying "WELL CONSERVATIVES ARE BRAINWASHED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA TOO!" is a valid defense. The point of the story is do not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

The GOP does and has always sucked.

Pro-life my **** dick..they are pro-death and suffering for the masses

USA is a very right wing system. Im the UK I've lived through the triumph of Thatcherism. Below is a list of the top of my head of areas that used to be wholly or partly nationalised when I was growing up - not saying the list should be exactly the same now but the right's view has endured mightily.

Right wing polcies might seem nutty but that's because they have ~all of the non-nutty ones acepted as so normal that they are barely noticed. Minimum wage is a 'triumph' for the left - wow that's how badly we are doing when the highlight is a policy introduceed in the UK over 100 years by the notable socialist Winson Churchill.

Here's the list. I'm sure it's not complete:

Gas
Steel
Water
Trains
Buses
National Bank
Aerospace
Airports
Airlines
Ports
Social housing
Cars
Telephones
Post Office
Electricity
Nuclear
Pharmaceuticals

What "story"?

The Story of this thread is not glass houses nor media. It was a point you made to a valid criticism. The 'both sides' of this debate is a specious stretch as Conservativism as described by almost all prior influential conservatives is now dead to a cult of people who demonstrate they have no principals and need no policy to run on or elect people on.

They are literally tied to only whatever Trump says next and then is repeated by right media. And that is what the prior respected Conservative stalwart say.

Why are the prior Stalwart tossed aside and called the ridiculous RINO's??? Solely because Trump and the Right media now label them that way. Which is ridiculous as they are the only true Republican's. The party is now Trumpers which is a very different thing.

I actually do not think all Right wing policy stances (the historical ones) were nutty.

What I am saying, and do not think your replies address, is that all those policies as STATED in my OP, even if not always enacted (Dems don't always enact their stated policy either) have been completely reversed on by today's GOP.

They are not in favour or pursuing any of the goals that were associated with those policies that I would core planks of true Conservativism prior.

I was simply replying to a biased clown that said inso and I are basically puppets. I responded in kind considering it is a well known fact that the vast majority of the media is left leaning and lies through their teeth. Then you felt the need to chime in saying basically "OMG BUT CONSERVATIVES ARE THE ONES BEING BRAINWASHED BY THE MEDIA!" listing OAN (lol?) as your source. A small and absolute trash news network as your source.

Quite amusing if I must say so myself, but like I said don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

I could have said FOx News as the biggest in MSM but we were talking about non MSM at that moment.

Anyway point remains, the Right currently is in a dilemma that is not 'Both Sides' as you want to paint.

The Left's house may have windows but the Rights house is entirely made of glass.

The right is in crisis and its not just Lefties saying it. They are at war with their stalwart republicans for the soul of the party. And the side who is winning is entirely a propaganda Party (Trumpism) which is not tied to policy or truth and is only tied to pronouncements and the requirement that Right Media repeat it until all the soldiers believe it.

That is not a way to forgive MSM generally as it is bad. This is just a whole other beats right now on the right. Something never before present which is closer to how the old USSR used to operate.

Ha. That's why Andrew Yang is creating a new party, right? That is why Democrats own the house and the senate yet can't pass bills, right? It's the Republicans in crisis mode.....right?

About half of the country completely disagrees with you. And that is completely fine. You think what you want. I'll think what I want. As long as we're both happy, who the hell cares?

maybe but your challange is to find policies where they haven't given way and the lack of examples where they have endured is mostly down to a total capitulation by the left.

The right won so comprehensively that there is precious little policy battle for them to lose.

Andrew Yang says having more parties is exactly what will make another Trump less possible in future.

His belief is that if a Party has to corm coalitions with other parties to form a gov't that it is much harder for a single personality or idea to win. It will force more moderation and compromise.


So not sure what point you think you are making here.


And again because the left is not perfect (and i am not pretending it is) does not mean 'both sides' have equal issues in this area.

Again the right is in a civil war within itself where any hint of Republicanism is being driven out and only Trumpism is acceptable at the same time the true Republicans are being labeled Rino's.

Think about that. The Republicans in Name Only are actually the real republicans but because the Right Media says they are Rinos' those who support Trumpism are driving them out.

Do you not see that someone like Liz Cheney is not RINO and Trump actually is a RINO?

I am not putting any judgement on that. You can like Trump and Trumpism more and think it needs to take over the party but do you not see it as a joke that people like her (the true Republicans) are being labeled by Right Media as Rino's as they support the actual Rino's, Trumpism??

maybe just maybe the media actually report reality how the left sees it ?
The amount of empirical evidences that totally debunked the trump movement ideology (which sadly dominate the republicans party ) is actually quite impressive.....
I guess republicans did not eat enough $h!t in their life to care yet...they will, they will one day.

You are literally the only person talking about Trump. Nobody else in this entire thread yet you bring him up constantly. Get over it, dude. He hasn't been in office for almost a year. Move on and get past that TDS.

Or maybe not.

i think he speaks about Trump because where are the rest of republicans that can contradict trump dictatorship ?
Trump is all there is left in the conservative movement.
All politicians on conservatives sides have to bend the knee to trump or get death threat and getting expelled from the party (liz Cheney ?).

Once again, Trump is gone. Get over it. He won't run again as he's getting Biden-old. He'll start forgetting to change his diaper like Biden and forgetting where he is. Break out the teleprompter!

The TDS is yours.

This is a thread created to contrast what Conservatism used to be to what it has become and Trumpism is what it has become.

There are few people so riddled with Trump derangement they think he should be protected from any conversations that is not 100% boosterism. That is some crazy derangement when you think he should be left out of a thread like this.

Trump running is not the point. Get over your TDS.

Trumpism is the point as even if Trump does not run it is widely acknowledged that Trumpism will be a driving part of the party for a long time.

You are going to have a hard time if you allow your TDS to trigger you every time it is rightly discussed.

That's something you were told to think.

It's a proof of concept actually. Thanks.

You're obsessed.

I'm also not cupee.

Really? You sound just like her.

We spell our names differently.

You're really not able to defend anything you write here, are you ?

Not that you need to. I'm sure you'll get the humiliation you crave but it doesn't make the average conservative look good.

I agree with this post, but wanted to add a little more historical context. An older tradition in American conservative thought (eg some versions of agrarianism and Catholic natural law) was more skeptical of free markets because of a concern that capitalism tended to be destructive of the established order and turn people away from religion towards materialism. It was really the rise of socialism/communism and the Cold War that made free market ideas so prevalent in conservativism - it provided a useful ideological contrast to an obvious and unpopular enemy.

This is also helpful in understanding why the Trumpian GOP cares less about free market ideas today - there is no more USSR with which to contrast itself. Instead, today's conservative warriors now define "socialism" by the peculiarities of the cultural vanguard of elite American institutions, such as academia, Hollywood, the media, and the Democratic Party. Thus, you get conservatives claiming that wokeness is a Marxist attempt to take over and change the basic American social order and its elevation to a front rank problem.