Itshot is not partisan, so I think you are misrepresenting his take. Clearly his objective and unbiased position is it’s all the dems fault.

This thread is an excellent foundation for discussion. Lol. It is obviously all make believe but why not. Let’s just argue over reality in this forum like we always do because we have people making crazy threads consisting of nonsense takes.

Lol. It is passed, and has been on the table for a long time now. You keep acting like the republicans have done anything.

You keep laying blame on the democrats here which is absurd.

The republicans can’t pass anything in the senate with their majority. It would be pointless to negotiate with that. Let the republicans pass something they can actually get passed and then negotiations can begin, otherwise lol them.

Keep pretending like the dems are the unreasonable ones here even though they are unified in support of a bill and have demonstrated they can get it passed. The republicans haven’t done anything.

This is the problem with the modern Republican Party. The only thing they are good at is obstruction. They are absolutely horribly at anything and everything around legislating. McConnell is horrible at it.

“We can’t even come up with a position we support, NEGOTIATE WITH US NOW!” is your crazy stance here. I am not sure you have ever negotiated anything before but if one side is not in agreement on what they want, it’s pretty silly to continue.

The bottom line is there is a real bill that the senate republicans could pass tomorrow. There is no such bill for democrats to even support. I understand you think this should be a bipartisan kumbaya Bill creation where the dems bend over but the fact that the republicans can’t clearly outline what they want demonstrates they are acting in bad faith.

The country needs a lot of help. The house bill would do that. Do I think it needs to be the final Bill? No. But the republicans are absolutely playing games here. Giving in on issues you never demonstrated you wanted in the first place is not negotiating in good faith.

But Republicans don't like that bill, markksman! None of them do! You can't expect them to pass a bill that none of them like, ok? Therefore the Dems should all vote to pass the bill that none of them like!

The Democrats have a three billion dollar plan that has already passed the House of Representatives. Republicans and Itshot say no dice. So nobody gets anything. lol Vegas:Why do dems hate America?

This isn’t what happened with Obamacare that was watered down because Dems had to negotiate with themselves and stuff like the public option couldn’t even pass with all the Dems. Now of course is totally different because most republicans want to pass a stimulus and many up in 2020 are downright desperate

It's true that the Dems didn't have 60 of their own votes for everything, but it's also true that they let the Republicans introduce amendments to water down the bill in exchange for nothing.

Did anything actually change from that? The only thing I remember was Lieberman killing the public option I think after they lost that MA seat.

I think it’s hard to fault much on Obamacare not going far enough. It passes the Senate with no votes to spare and upheld by the Supreme Court with no votes to spare. Anything more aggressive would have likely been Hilarycare 2.0 ie nothing.

There was a lady on npr last week(forget her name) from the Fed that was there thru 08 and her estimate was that we need(she basically said we have to iirc) to spend 4-6T pronto or we're going to be in big trouble. The host was like--can we even really afford that? And she just lol'd

Politifact has a page about Republican amendments and the ACA. Started to make my eyes bleed so I bailed but there is a lot of information there.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...n-amendments-/

That seems like the minimum we need and even the democrats are falling far short in their funding with their “moonshot”.

Unfortunately we could have spent 8 trillion up front across packages and probably saved 30-50 billion dollars down the road. Taking 1 trillion now will save 0 trillion in the future when everything needs to be fixed.

But yeah 1 trillion is a lot. Especially if I try to count it on my fingers.

I remember the whole congress and staffers must enroll via the marketplace which was just a troll job. There were articles about how we should feel bad for staffers because republican trolling effectively got them a pay cut since their previous employer provided healthcare was subsidized more... but it’s hard to feel sorry for a bunch of dudes who got their jobs largely through connections and the old boys network.

That's not at all what I'm arguing. To put it plainly, Pelosi has done nothing to court Republicans into taking up her bill. Pelosi has not come off any of her demands, other than reduce the length of benefits she's proposed. That's the only concession she's made. It's clear Pelosi rather stonewall than do a deal. She also does not have enough votes to override a veto, even if you can get bipartisan support from the Senate on her bill. There are things being funded in her bill that are non-starters for Republicans/POTUS.

You all are trying to turn it into which one is better...I'm arguing there is no pathway to passage for Pelosi's bill unless she is willing to make concessions on her demands. Remember, the Republicans are not the one demanding things. It's clear, for Pelosi it's all or nothing. When the "all" does not seem likely, it stands to reason you need to come off your demands, at least in some part. That has not occured at all.


Someone used a car sales analogy, and Pelosi is the the finance person upselling products, and threatening not to sell the car unless you buy ALL of them. If she came off some of them, you'd have a point, and I would be critical of the R's/POTUS.

Right, she hasn't made any concessions, except all those concessions she's made. Can you believe her obstinance? Now, how many concessions have Republicans made from the HEALS act?

There are things in the HEALS act that are non-starters for Democrats. Why do these get a pass?

I'm old enough to remember your earlier posts, where you said:

This is stating that the Dems should give total capitulation to the Republicans' plan, not mere concessions, which have already been made.

Hahahahhahaahahaha. Yes, they are. The HEALS act is a Republican plan. They, at least their leaders, want to pass that. Remember how I stated "He's pretending that the GOP position is to give nothing to anyone, which is false." And you denied that you said that? Here you are asserting it again! It's still false!

You're pretty bad at negotiating, and negotiating analogies here. Given the power dynamic between one party having unified support for a plan that has passed the House, and the other party that wants to pass something but can't even get unified support for anything, the car sales analogy looks like Pelosi threatening the desperate salesman with walking out the door, and in the hope that he'll start making concessions quickly.

Like what?

What on that list is something the Democrats don't want?

https://www.cnet.com/personal-financ...-they-compare/

Presenting Pelosi as a shopper instead of the seller shows your own inadequacies at analogies. Pelosi is trying to buy her own package? Your analogy is nonsensical.

Liability protection for businesses, school funding being only for schools that are in-person.

So they both want funding for schools, that one does not count. What do you think the Republicans will get for trading liability protection? Is that worth a trillion dollars?

Uh, it's a monumental difference. It means that schools in responsible blue states that stick with online learning because of the pandemic get bupkis.

The GOP and corporate dems literally want states to go bankrupt (it's not legal at the moment). They want test cases to go before the corrupt SCOTUS so they can stiff public workers on their pensions in blue states. That's why they don't want to give states federal money. Trump has actually said this.

Guys like It's hot are funny when they say 1 trillion would help people.
The GOP is never about helping anyone who isn't a corporation or a billionaire. Ever. Period, simple, full stop end of story.

Trump Signs Executive Orders For $400 A Week Unemployment Benefits, Extends Payroll Tax Cuts Through 2020

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...20/ar-BB17JE3b

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I don't think it's worth killing the entire bill.

I can't imagine this working.

Teachers will be.

Pelosi wants to lease the same vehicle she just had under the same terms because her position in life hasn't changed and the GOP is telling her she has to downgrade to a moped. Because .... reasons.

She's rightly going to say 'f u' and not take the crap deal as any sane car shopper would.