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08-10-2020 , 07:29 PM


This is bizarre. Schumer is making an argument that the EO's don't do enough, and leaves stuff out. I'm also sure he is going to support a lawsuit to make sure the EO's don't do anything.
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08-10-2020 , 07:43 PM
What do you find bizarre about it?
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08-10-2020 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EADGBE
What do you find bizarre about it?
If Trump signed an EO that addressed all those things, Schumer would still oppose it. By stating the EO's don't do enough, he implicitly acknowledges their legality. If the EO's are found to be illegal, which is extremely likely, it does not matter what they leave out. The real issue is what POTUS is trying to fund via EO, not what he is not funding via EO.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 08-10-2020 at 08:03 PM.
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08-10-2020 , 08:39 PM
The plan looks to be that congressional dems are continuing to negotiate a bill and carrying on like the EO does nothing at all. There's a decent chance that it does just that.
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08-10-2020 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
If Trump signed an EO that addressed all those things, Schumer would still oppose it. By stating the EO's don't do enough, he implicitly acknowledges their legality. If the EO's are found to be illegal, which is extremely likely, it does not matter what they leave out. The real issue is what POTUS is trying to fund via EO, not what he is not funding via EO.
But an EO can't address all those things because an EO can't give $2T. I don't think pointing that out is an implicit admission of legality.
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08-12-2020 , 06:10 PM
Those pesky Dems still refusing to compromise.

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An overture was made by Secretary Mnuchin to meet and he made clear that his televised comments from earlier today still stand: the White House is not budging from their position concerning the size and scope of a legislative package.

Democrats have compromised. Repeatedly, we have made clear to the Administration that we are willing to come down $1 trillion if they will come up $1 trillion. However, it is clear that the Administration still does not grasp the magnitude of the problems that American families are facing.

We have again made clear to the Administration that we are willing to resume negotiations once they start to take this process seriously. The lives and livelihoods of the American people as well as the life of our democracy are at stake.
https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/81220-1
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08-12-2020 , 06:34 PM
At this point Trump is so behind in the polls I am not even sure passing a stimulus would move the needle much as far as him getting re-elected. Seems like he needs to take a very high variance approach and hope for some sort of chaos he can blame the dems for. Towards this end refusing to pass a stimulus probably works as well as most other ideas short of a major war.
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08-12-2020 , 06:35 PM
Also, the market is crushing right now for reasons I am not sure anyone can determine, so as long as him and his buddies are making $$ hand over fist seems like not a big impetus to push through a stimulus bill.
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08-12-2020 , 07:13 PM
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At this point Trump is so behind in the polls I am not even sure passing a stimulus would move the needle much as far as him getting re-elected. Seems like he needs to take a very high variance approach and hope for some sort of chaos he can blame the dems for. Towards this end refusing to pass a stimulus probably works as well as most other ideas short of a major war.
He's 44cents to win the presidency on predictit. He could easily move the needle in his favor if he was able to stop himself from ****ing up so often. A legit stim bill would definitely help.
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08-13-2020 , 06:27 PM
Reason Why Trump Is [Intentionally?] Slowing Down Mail Delivery

With his obsession about holding up funding for the Post Office and slowing down mail delivery, I can't help but wonder why Trump is shooting himself in the foot? Last week I sent a First Class [handwritten] letter to a smallish independent bookseller for an order of three books. (I have been doing business with this seller for many years.) I included a $50.00 personal check as remittance for the three books along with the letter. Five days after sending the letter, I sent an email to the merchant asking them to temporarily delay shipment of my order as there were two more books I wished to add to my order. There was no need for two separate deliveries when they could consolidate both orders into a single shipment. I asked them to inform me as to what the additional cost would be for the combined order - including shipping costs - so I could send them another check. I was a bit surprised when I received a response back from the merchant informing me that they have (not yet!) received my original letter. (The letter was sent a week ago. I personally handed the letter to the clerk at my Post Office, so there is little chance the letter was mishandled or "lost in the mail".)

In over 50 years of doing business with the postal service, I have become accustomed to First Class letters being received within 2-3 [business] days of being sent. (Often such letters are received the next business day.) Now I read that Trump's new Postmaster General is ordering that the use of automatic sorting machines be discontinued along with other changes in Post Office "protocol" that will have the cumulative effect of greatly slowing down (and delaying) the delivery of mail.

I suppose it hasn't occurred to our idiot Commander-in-Chief that slowing up and delaying mail delivery is likely to have an adverse impact on business and commerce - especially when it comes to package deliveries. (Businesses owed money who rely on the postal service for delivery of payment invoices will be adversely impacted as delivery of their bills - and payment of same - will be delayed.)

By his own admission this morning on the Fox Propaganda Channel, it appears that Trump's motivation for impeding the delivery of mail is to "discourage" voters from voting via mail-in ballots. For "libruls" (like me) that doesn't make any difference as I can't wait for November 3rd to personally show up at my polling place - with my mask firmly in place - to cast my ballot against Trump. (If I have to stand in line for 3-4 hours before I cast my vote, that's fine with me as I have the patience of Job.)

What I wonder about are the (small?) percentage of independent voters who have not yet made up their minds? Has Trump really thought out the effect of slowing down the mail and how that could [adversely] influence the thinking of voters who are still on the fence - voters who could (potentially) swing the election Trump's way? Maybe it's true what Kelhus100 and formula72 are hinting at - that Trump is just looking for an excuse on which to lay blame for losing. Maybe it will be easier for his fragile ego to claim that he was cheated out of a second term rather than admitting that a majority of the electorate just plain rejected him. (If Trump does lose, especially by a massive margin, I can't wait to read the banner headline in the November 4th New York Times: America to Trump: You're Fired!)
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08-13-2020 , 06:44 PM
Henderson using coronavirus relief money to remodel city hall entry

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Henderson is using $2 million of coronavirus relief money to pay for an expansion of a City Hall entrance.

Council members voted last week to expand the lobby outside the City Council chambers. The vote added $2 million to an existing $14 million project to renovate the plaza and street in front of City Hall. To complete the lobby portion of the project, council members approved the use of money from the federal CARES Act.
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08-13-2020 , 06:50 PM
Two million? That's cute.

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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is facing criticism from lawmakers and watchdog groups after refusing to disclose the businesses that received more than $500 billion in government-backed emergency loans.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ongress-315940
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08-14-2020 , 07:28 AM
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"Mnuchin ignited controversy on Wednesday when he said the Trump administration will not reveal the names of companies and nonprofits that got the so-called Paycheck Protection Program loans, which are guaranteed by the taxpayer and can be forgiven in full if borrowers maintain their payrolls."

America.

Great Again !!!!
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08-14-2020 , 07:29 AM

That's a capital expenditure. I though you were okay with that and just didn't like the nasty 'consumption' done by the unwashed masses.
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09-10-2020 , 03:14 PM
Bump.

Turns out the Republican plan could not pass in the face of bipartisan opposition.
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09-11-2020 , 12:24 AM
You know as well as I do what is going on here. Democrats are hanging on to the bill they passed in May, that has no chance to pass the Senate, or sustain a filibuster, in order to paint the Republicans in November. Democrats rather get nothing to the American people so they can brag about evil Republicans not passing their pipe dream they know never had any chance of occuring.

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09-11-2020 , 12:30 AM
Unemployed workers could have had $1600 (four weeks of UE) and counting, with another 1200 stimulus check (among other things) the GOP was offering when the OP was made, if Peloi would have stopped trying to push her plan to bail out cities. Now they have zero, exactly what I thought was going to happen when Pelosi tried to play hardball. Pelosi went $2T or bust, and looks like it's bust. The Democrats could have got something for the American people, but they wanted the issue for the election instead. Titus has been bragging about that May bill for months now, while her constituents citizens get hammered, which is bullshit because the GOP was offering cold hard cash to send to citizens, and the left said no, they wanted more.

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09-11-2020 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You know as well as I do what is going on here. Democrats are hanging on to the bill they passed in May, that has no chance to pass the Senate, or sustain a filibuster, in order to paint the Republicans in November. Democrats rather get nothing to the American people so they can brag about evil Republicans not passing their pipe dream they know never had any chance of occuring.
Turns out the Republican bill also doesn't have enough support to pass the Senate or sustain a filibuster, and it even has Republican opposition! Sounds like the Republicans would rather give the American people nothing so that they can rant about the evil Democrats not passing their bullshit bill that they can't even pass themselves, let alone passing a bill that has a chance of passing the House.
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09-11-2020 , 02:09 AM
You see folks, the pipe dream is the bill that's actually passed in one house of Congress. The realistic compromise is the bill that hasn't passed in any house due to bipartisan opposition of it.
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09-11-2020 , 03:30 AM
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You see folks, the pipe dream is the bill that's actually passed in one house of Congress. The realistic compromise is the bill that hasn't passed in any house due to bipartisan opposition of it.
lmao imagine being IHIV
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09-11-2020 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Unemployed workers could have had $1600 (four weeks of UE) and counting, with another 1200 stimulus check (among other things) the GOP was offering when the OP was made, if Peloi would have stopped trying to push her plan to bail out cities. Now they have zero, exactly what I thought was going to happen when Pelosi tried to play hardball. Pelosi went $2T or bust, and looks like it's bust. The Democrats could have got something for the American people, but they wanted the issue for the election instead. Titus has been bragging about that May bill for months now, while her constituents citizens get hammered, which is bullshit because the GOP was offering cold hard cash to send to citizens, and the left said no, they wanted more.
Or, the GOP could have gotten even more for the people, but they didn't want to bail out cities because they are lead by Democrats and decided that that was more important that bailing out the average joe as well.

There are two sides to every argument.
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09-11-2020 , 10:22 AM
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Or, the GOP could have gotten even more for the people, but they didn't want to bail out cities because they are lead by Democrats and decided that that was more important that bailing out the average joe as well.

There are two sides to every argument.
I don't dispute that, but I also know something is better than nothing.
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09-11-2020 , 10:24 AM
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You see folks, the pipe dream is the bill that's actually passed in one house of Congress. The realistic compromise is the bill that hasn't passed in any house due to bipartisan opposition of it.
So, the GOP won't play ball on that bill, so the D's answer is not to play ball on a smaller bill. Gotcha. There is no disagreement. What are you disputing?
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09-11-2020 , 10:31 AM
At some point, even if you think the GOP is the worst people in the world, you have to play the hand that is dealt. The D's decided not to play.
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09-11-2020 , 10:34 AM
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I don't dispute that, but I also know something is better than nothing.
The liability protection for businesses that force their workers back to the office is literally worse than nothing.
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