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10-12-2023 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Families don't own means of production. And if you think a family isn't a dictatorship, you must have never been a child.

I live pretty much communally with my best friend/roommate, but I've never known anyone who has done so in a group of more than two adults. And tbh she has dictatorial powers over the dogs. To thrive in the world you need to be able to completely trust one person, but it's nearly impossible to do more than one.
A person of the opposite sex that you cohabit with and trust implicitly... I think that's called a "wife".
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10-12-2023 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
A person of the opposite sex that you cohabit with and trust implicitly... I think that's called a "wife".
Yeah it probably would be if we were married and I wasn't still looking for a full partner. If I ever give up looking maybe I'll start calling her that.
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10-12-2023 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Right. So, despite multiple attempts in the last 150 years, this vision has failed to materialise. What does this tell us?

While wreckem is usually dead wrong about, well, everything, this is pretty spot on:
it did work tho

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10-12-2023 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
it did work tho

guy sounds like an idiot
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10-12-2023 , 06:19 PM
Yes, the communists "liberated" China, Russia, Cuba etc. lol

The only thing that communists ever liberated was Victor from his critical thinking abilities.

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10-12-2023 , 06:28 PM
Right well I mean they beat the fascist Nazis and Japanese. But I suppose that is why liberals don't like them.
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10-12-2023 , 06:44 PM
You're a precious little guy
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10-12-2023 , 07:02 PM
This guy in the video talks about Communist nations doing some incredible stuff. Do any communists here want to pick one as having done a really good job ending poverty and such?
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10-12-2023 , 07:07 PM
Do you realize the Russians Chinese and Cubans were far more impoverished before their revolutions?
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10-12-2023 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Do you realize the Russians Chinese and Cubans were far more impoverished before their revolutions?
el oh el
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10-12-2023 , 07:23 PM
Hopefully one day Victor and OGmarx will take over this country and we will finally have the utopia only they know how to run. Poker is going to suck though
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10-12-2023 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
el oh el
by every metric those countries massively improved.

Im sorry that Stalin stole your slaves, err serfs, and your uncles fought for the Nazis. you dont need to hold onto those grievances anymore. its the 2020s.
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10-12-2023 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
by every metric those countries massively improved.


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Originally Posted by Victor
Im sorry that Stalin stole your slaves, err serfs, and your uncles fought for the Nazis. you dont need to hold onto those grievances anymore. its the 2020s.


Vic, you cray cray.
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10-12-2023 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
by every metric those countries massively improved.

Im sorry that Stalin stole your slaves, err serfs, and your uncles fought for the Nazis. you dont need to hold onto those grievances anymore. its the 2020s.
So you're comfortable with the ends justifying the means?
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10-12-2023 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
So you're comfortable with the ends justifying the means?
THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.
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10-12-2023 , 08:22 PM
Nonsense that Communists actually think... THE POLITICS THREAD!
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10-12-2023 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.
Has your brain sprung a leak?
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10-12-2023 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Yes. I am aware that North Korea is "communist" (in your sense of the word) about as much as the DRC is "democratic". You conveniently skipped over the actual question I posed though. I imagine you started responding to it, and then soon realised that every attempt at "real" communism, as you have described it, on a scale beyond a few dozen hippies, invariably ends in misery, suffering and abject failure.

This is because capitalism is a system which reflects human nature and the innate selfishness of people, whereas communism runs contrary to it, therefore has to be forced upon them.
I definitely didn't skip over some actual question; I'm not scared of your basic apologetics, although I'm glad that the strawman in your head got owned.

You want to know why Communist states have failed in the past? Many, as I've said earlier, only adopted Communist symbols and jargon as basically a bit of aesthetics, and from minute 1 had no interest in implementing socialism. Many others were sabotaged by capitalist/imperialist elements in other countries (often teaming with rebels in the country in question).

Numerous indigenous tribes of America lived collectively. Entire tribes would live in one giant structure, nobody enjoyed great wealth over another, women held prominent positions, and things would be fairly peaceful with other societies, certainly relative to the rest of the planet in the 16th century and before. And then Europe murdered them. To some degree, it's your first example you asked for.

A lot of things have to be "forced upon people" without it necessarily being communist or criminal. Like, taxes. Taxing people runs contrary to their innate selfishness, but I assume you're ok with some form of taxation. And for what it's worth, the main thing I want is higher taxes on wealth.
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10-12-2023 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Hopefully one day Victor and OGmarx will take over this country and we will finally have the utopia only they know how to run. Poker is going to suck though
For one thing, my economics would give billions of more people disposable money. More money in the hands of more people means more fish.

I idealize a nationless world. I would have a Ministry of Gambling, comprised of x number of regulators, who would then create y number of sites, running different games and stakes between them, and they would service the entire world. There would be no incentive to churn out profit, to advertise (no enemies), so rake could be immediately lowered, or kept as is and siphoned off for public works. Or rakeback.

Poker in my society would be incredible. Although, if you make >1 million, time to give back to the society which gave you this opportunity.

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10-12-2023 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
Nonsense that Communists actually think... THE POLITICS THREAD!
by every important objective measure, life was better after the communists came to power in those 3 countries. health care, education, quality of life, life expectancy.

Im actually really surprised that this is even in dispute.
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10-12-2023 , 08:55 PM
I follow some Cuban YouTubers. Apparently the situation there isn't great. I also know a girl who has gone a couple times and she feels like it's taken a turn for the worse in the last 5 years.
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10-12-2023 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
For one thing, my economics would give billions of more people disposable money. More money in the hands of more people means more fish.

I idealize a nationless world. I would have a Ministry of Gambling, comprised of x number of regulators, who would then create y number of sites, running different games and stakes between them, and they would service the entire world. There would be no incentive to churn out profit, to advertise (no enemies), so rake could be immediately lowered, or kept as is and siphoned off for public works. Or rakeback.

Poker in my society would be incredible. Although, if you make >1 million, time to give back to the society which gave you this opportunity.
Karl, it's possible that your heart is in the right place in terms of wanting people to live a good life but based on this specific post there isn't any other conclusion to reach that you just don't understand the economics of either a command economy or how that affects the recourses of a ministry run gambling joint, - or you're just a troll account.

I guess it means folks will start bluffing more once the pot hits a million.

Could you give a brief run down on how labor works in this model?

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10-12-2023 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
For one thing, my economics would give billions of more people disposable money. More money in the hands of more people means more fish.

I idealize a nationless world. I would have a Ministry of Gambling, comprised of x number of regulators, who would then create y number of sites, running different games and stakes between them, and they would service the entire world. There would be no incentive to churn out profit, to advertise (no enemies), so rake could be immediately lowered, or kept as is and siphoned off for public works. Or rakeback.

Poker in my society would be incredible. Although, if you make >1 million, time to give back to the society which gave you this opportunity.
Remember when this guy said he wasn't a troll a few days ago? Yeah...
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10-12-2023 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Right well I mean they beat the fascist Nazis and Japanese. But I suppose that is why liberals don't like them.
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Originally Posted by Victor
by every metric those countries massively improved.

Im sorry that Stalin stole your slaves, err serfs, and your uncles fought for the Nazis. you dont need to hold onto those grievances anymore. its the 2020s.
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10-12-2023 , 11:03 PM
I make a goofy little post responding to a capitalist saying nonsense about how communism means poker players get the death penalty and I'm hit with THIS:

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Originally Posted by formula72
Karl, it's possible that your heart is in the right place in terms of wanting people to live a good life but based on this specific post there isn't any other conclusion to reach that you just don't understand the economics of either a command economy or how that affects the recourses of a ministry run gambling joint, - or you're just a troll account.

I guess it means folks will start bluffing more once the pot hits a million.

Could you give a brief run down on how labor works in this model?
I'm both more knowledgeable about these issues and more intelligent than you in general, so shut the **** up with the dripping condescension.

No, I'm not going to give you a brief run down on how labor works in this model.

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Remember when this guy said he wasn't a troll a few days ago? Yeah...
All you do is make little stupid drive-by quips about whatever tepid liberal milquetoast **** you believe in. How pathetic is it to come somewhere just to snarkily snipe at people making arguments in a discussion thread?
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