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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Yes. I am aware that North Korea is "communist" (in your sense of the word) about as much as the DRC is "democratic". You conveniently skipped over the actual question I posed though. I imagine you started responding to it, and then soon realised that every attempt at "real" communism, as you have described it, on a scale beyond a few dozen hippies, invariably ends in misery, suffering and abject failure.
This is because capitalism is a system which reflects human nature and the innate selfishness of people, whereas communism runs contrary to it, therefore has to be forced upon them.
I definitely didn't skip over some actual question; I'm not scared of your basic apologetics, although I'm glad that the strawman in your head got owned.
You want to know why Communist states have failed in the past? Many, as I've said earlier, only adopted Communist symbols and jargon as basically a bit of aesthetics, and from minute 1 had no interest in implementing socialism. Many others were sabotaged by capitalist/imperialist elements in other countries (often teaming with rebels in the country in question).
Numerous indigenous tribes of America lived collectively. Entire tribes would live in one giant structure, nobody enjoyed great wealth over another, women held prominent positions, and things would be fairly peaceful with other societies, certainly relative to the rest of the planet in the 16th century and before. And then Europe murdered them. To some degree, it's your first example you asked for.
A lot of things have to be "forced upon people" without it necessarily being communist or criminal. Like, taxes. Taxing people runs contrary to their innate selfishness, but I assume you're ok with some form of taxation. And for what it's worth, the main thing I want is higher taxes on wealth.