Can you give one example of when it has been tried and has worked, then?

Coz, you know, if something hasn't worked 100% of the times it has been tried, I feel that's a meaningful data point.

Has it ever been tried before? What were the resuts?
And why is it a fantasy? Exactly how much government do you think is the right amount?

wtf you think I am a QA or something? I build it I dont test it.

and when I build something I make it usable for damn near any iteration.

I haven't tried hammering nails into my cock before, but I can pretty confidently say the results wouldn't be particularly salubrious.

More than zero.

they also occur in a capitalist society.

like this does happen

maybe not for specifically "telling a joke" but you can absolutely get targeted for criticizing the govt and cause the authorities to hurt you.

and the fbi does turn up for other trivial offenses.

and much worse than this happens like the antifa guy that was swiss cheesed while eating candy.

further, we are talking USSR, not North Korea. that happened there at about the same rate it happened here unless you are talking about certain eras of repression like the 30s or the War or whatever. but guess what, they did the same damn thing here. in fact they threw Debs in jail for 3 years and practically killed the disease he got there for criticizing the govt during WW1 by saying hey maybe we shouldnt kill people for capitalism.

We agree that all the data shows it not working. All, almost none, of it.

It's so far from a proof that it can't work. If you disagree then I advise you not to fly because that was proved not to work ages ago.

You have a very rose-coloured view of what the USSR actually was. They didn't even have an adversarial court system, and the judiciary was a branch of the executive. You can scream all you want about the horrors of what happens in US courts and prisons, and for the most part, you're right, but pretending that the USSR was better is just fabulism.

Who said it was "proof"? You made that up. It is an exhibit submitted as evidence in support of the assertion that communism does not work. I don't remember claiming that this exhibit, in and of itself, was dispositive.

Capitalism baby. Shoulda read the fine print.

Meanwhile

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...er-makes%3famp

Hey if grandpa runs out of savings and freezes to death it's all in the game. Gotta keep Jerry Jones .000000001% richer. Freedom!

"Bad things happen under capitalism ergo communism better" is a fallacious argument. But you know this.

no these are not "bad things". they are inherent. they are rational. this is by design. as the kids say, feature not bug.





this person, and you and me and all Americans are going to pay every single thing we have and every single thing we can create and every single bit of effort we can provide to exist. that is the essence and intention of capitalism.

mods should proly excise this to the capitalism vs communism thread. the end all be all final fight.

You have purposely missed the point of the post to which you replied.

Where does this attitude that universal healthcare is socialism comes from anyway? In Germany there is mandatory healthcare (which I consider somewhat equivalent) since 1883; long before any socialist or communist country existed. And the dude who established it (Otto von Bismarck) was far from being a socialist; he in fact outlawed any socialist or communist parties and associations.

When your government builds your cars that's when you can talk about socialism imo.

I cap vs com thread would be pretty entertaining. Someone start that, or I can.

UHC is certainly a socialist service.

Do not focus on the individual or the names and boil down what is 'socialist' versus what is 'free market'.

Socialist suggests a government agency makes the decision on behalf of all for a service or product and takes their money whether they would allocate it to that or not, and delivers them the service or product.

Key to it is spreading the costs across the entire group or population base, in a theory that will lower costs (and/or provide needed protections) for all that they might refuse to get or pay more for otherwise.

Governments building roads is socialist.

The libertarian view would run almost 100% contrary this.

ya this.

also profits. US system is run for profit. UK system is not (although that is changing)

ya agreed. we have these derails a lot. would be nice to move these posts there.

now, volunteer unpaid mod, do my bidding and do it now!

in the Black Book of Communism it says like 100 quadrillion people died from the Jewish Bolsheviks.

well, Im gonna start the Black Book of Capitalism. will include this guy.

https://abc7ny.com/winter-storm-texa...copd/10355546/

I agree that it's not socialism. But it is a social-democracy feature. I wouldn't mind free healthcare provided by government as long as I can opt out of it. Afterall if it's such a good thing, why does it need to be forced upon us? Ofc I would also pay less taxes. In my country if you use a private hospital you are paying twice for healthcare. And if you want to just use public hospitals you might have to wait 3 years for a surgery. Meanwhile if you are a government worker you only work 35 hours/week and have a better healthcare system for free. And before you ask, I'm from one of those social-democratic countries in Europe.

You're in it.

you do realize that like 95% of the taxes that we pay in the USA go to either military or Big Business? like none of it goes to the citizenry or as welfare.

so gtfo with this taxes and opting out bullshit.

and even better lolol waiting 3 years for surgery. guess how long people wait for surgery in USA? we wait forever. we dont ****ing get surgery. we die.

or if we do get the care, it bankrupts us or puts us in massive debt that we pay off for years.

but that 3 year comment was a lie anyway. I am sure if you had the money you would be able to get surgery tomorrow. you, yourself just dont have the money. maybe work harder. have you considered learning how to code?

Ironically enough, he has. He asked me about it in a PM stemming from my AMA thread.

lolol I did too! now I make slightly over what would have been minimum wage in 1970. still more thank 95% of the country. capitalism baby!

ok
You did say
which should possibly say "hint: it hasn't"

but fair enough. My bugbear is how much weight people attach to data that covers such a minute area of the possible space.