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Lol, the forum seems to get dumber takes every time I look in but Victor comparing US incarceration to the gulags is going to be hard to top. I recommend Gulag by Anne Applebaum if you want to get some idea of what you're talking about.

I don't know much about the old USSR but I thought gulags were political prisons. Meh.

Anyway, the problem there was authoritarian rule and the problem here is authoritarian rule. There they overtly seized the means of production and here the government works for private corporations that control the means of production.

The point is you need some working form of democracy to represent the needs of the people. If only a country would fight a revolution and stare one......

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06-04-2020 , 09:44 AM

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the fact is the Soviet Union was certainly a better society for the majority of the citizenry than what came after.

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btw, you mention the Gulag system. any idea how it compares to the USA prison system?

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06-04-2020 , 03:03 PM

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I don't think communism is inherently evil but it is inherently susceptible to being co-opted by evil.

It's definitely possible that a communist society could spring up that works well to increase the well being of it's people but it's far more likely some nutcase gets control of the reigns at some point and you end up with famines, death camps and endemic corruption that's almost impossible to root out.

It's not intended to be evil but I think the problem is just that human nature being what it is, if you try to implement communism you end up with a lot of evil before too long. If we were all robots or something it might work well.

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06-05-2020 , 09:36 PM

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If I have to work 40 hours a week under both Capitalism and Communism then they are both valueless to a prole like me. Just give me UBI and you can call your system whatever the ****. It's the wage slavery that makes us want to kill ourselves.

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06-05-2020 , 10:03 PM

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lol ya definitely believe Anne ****ing Applebaum.

heres the thing. when we compare the Gulags to the USA prison system there is no comparison. hands down our system is tons worse.

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06-05-2020 , 10:05 PM

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I dunno how its possible to lack self awareness in this way

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06-05-2020 , 10:07 PM

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lol ya definitely believe Anne ****ing Applebaum.

heres the thing. when we compare the Gulags to the USA prison system there is no comparison. hands down our system is tons worse.

Victor, please don't make it so hard to take you seriously.

On what evidence are you basing these statements?

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06-05-2020 , 10:08 PM

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I dunno how its possible to lack self awareness in this way

He's 100% right.

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06-05-2020 , 10:08 PM

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Soviet archives

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06-05-2020 , 10:09 PM

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Soviet archives

You're drunk, Victor. Go home.

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06-05-2020 , 10:11 PM

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He's 100% right.

right well its a good thing theres no evil in capitalism. its a good thing the multinational corporations dont employ literal death squads.

its a totally bullshit argument. oh so human nature ****s up communism but not capitalism? something about capitalism is so great that it overcomes human nature?

the difference is that by its very nature capitalism is meant to subjugate and enslave as many people as possible. thats not the case with communism.

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06-05-2020 , 10:13 PM

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Dude, you sound like a stoned 14 year old who just read the Wikipedia article on Karl Marx. Get to bed.

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06-05-2020 , 10:35 PM

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Dude, you sound like a stoned 14 year old who just read the Wikipedia article on Karl Marx. Get to bed.

ya sorry Im not as articulate as you.

and lol if you think wiki puts Marx in a positive light.

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06-05-2020 , 10:46 PM

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ya sorry Im not as articulate as you.

and lol if you think wiki puts Marx in a positive light.

I would hope it puts him in a neutral light, as these things are meant to do.

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06-05-2020 , 11:11 PM

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ya sorry Im not as articulate as you.

and lol if you think wiki puts Marx in a positive light.

Victor, is the USA or DPRK the good guys?

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06-05-2020 , 11:39 PM

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well its pretty easy to win an argument when you can just make up the other side and report on it years later.

but the fact is the Soviet Union was certainly a better society for the majority of the citizenry than what came after. And certainly a large percentage of the USA population would be far better off if transported in time and place to there as well.

btw, you mention the Gulag system. any idea how it compares to the USA prison system?

Yikes

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06-05-2020 , 11:42 PM

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lol ya definitely believe Anne ****ing Applebaum.

heres the thing. when we compare the Gulags to the USA prison system there is no comparison. hands down our system is tons worse.

Yikes

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06-05-2020 , 11:46 PM

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Victor comparing the gulags to prisons in America is hilarious. Read a book

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06-05-2020 , 11:53 PM

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Victor comparing the gulags to prisons in America is hilarious. Read a book

Victor is obviously a troubled soul.

What is "hilarious", though, TittyBang, is how you keep claiming to be not a trump supporter. That **** has kept me laughing all lockdown.

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06-05-2020 , 11:56 PM

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Victor, is the USA or DPRK the good guys?

He thinks we're the baddies.

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06-06-2020 , 01:01 AM

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Victor is obviously a troubled soul.

What is "hilarious", though, TittyBang, is how you keep claiming to be not a trump supporter. That **** has kept me laughing all lockdown.

You seem like a troubled a soul. Talk about projecting!

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06-06-2020 , 02:04 AM

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How about publicly owned resources and an automation tax with a national dividend for citizens

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06-06-2020 , 02:27 AM

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How about publicly owned resources and an automation tax with a national dividend for citizens

Put down the needle and the clorox, thay thay.

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06-06-2020 , 03:20 AM

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You seem like a troubled a soul. Talk about projecting!

I can play this game too.

You seem like someone who enjoys anti-science views for the sake of the fact that you feel intellectually inferior to most people you know in your life.

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