ohhh that is aggressive. I would take the contra side of that bet.

I don't see off world birth to death for many, many generations.

I assume you mean an orbital space station and not a habitable planet, right?

Right now, we have a lot to figure out to make development of the body from birth, in space a reality. Long term exposure for fully formed humans is quite a mess as it stands now.

Priceless
Still thinking the US economy is still great with 30 trillions dollars in debt, double twin deficit , huge wealth gap , huge inflation coming in, AI and globalisation killing more US job then ever etc .
Keep preaching brother .

The US is basically bankrupt , surviving only because it still the reserve currency , propping up its value ….

Actually investing into green energy and climate changes ( creating job in the process) to become independent on the energy front with clean energy (hopefully creating a new economic revolution like the industrial in the 1800s ) might be the only way out economically …

No wonder you can’t see much reality In global warming just the way you look at the economy .
Reality isn’t what you wish for , like science is not what you wish it is ….

Please quote the post in which Ins0 claimed that the U.S. economy is "great." I missed it somehow.

It's a source of all the wrong predictions made by experts over this year's. Like this one:

I dont think it's aggresive at all but sadly there is no point in betting. I dont wnat to restrict the various paths but my favorite is huge off world constructions - bit like massive ocean liners where it's hard to eevn tell you are at sea (apparantly). It's not even sci-fi. Fusion would be nice but isn't necessary and all the tech required is more or less current and will be well established within say 20-30 years. Then we need off-world manufacturing with harvesting of materials. Say another 30 years. That's about it.

I don't think human development will be an issue at all. Artificial gravity which means a bit of rotation might be required but is desirable anyway.

I'll bet $50k man walks on Mars during my lifetime.

I'll give you $100k if you are the guy who first walks on Mars, and you agree to stay there for the rest of your life.

Dude, do you even believe in Mars?

Everybody knows it's a candy bar, dude!

Ya obviously we cannot bet as the longest lived one of us cannot lose by default but i don't think either of these happen in my lifetime (~40 years if I am as long lived as many of my predecessors).

But its fascinating topic and I would love to be wrong and see either before I depart for the great unknown.


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It's a joke QP: "I'll bet x happens during my lifetime" is a freeroll - good luck collecting.

yes, thought I acknowledged that with this "...as the longest lived one of us cannot lose by default ..."

or are you busting my balls for breaking the rule of never explaining a joke? lol.

It would be less traumatic for a person to be born and live on a space liner than to send someone to the moon from earth. There's no explosive acceleration to cope with and I think you're raising a non-issue.

obviously the 'I'd bet' is an indicative turn of phrase which I assume you understood. It's not a joke or any offer of a real bet.

Nope, my bad, somehow totally missed that part.

(Actually, though, your side can lose. My side can lose, but is uncollectable).

We should probably learn to take care of our world to the best of our ability before we start thinking an exodus to a new one is the solution.

US debt to GDP ratio is completely unremarkable. Japan's is twice as high with foreign nations holding a far lower percentage of their reserves in Japanese debt.

Be nice and let's do it as much as possible but we have to recognise the reality.

There's a limit to how sucessful any species in the pond can be and we're way past that. Add on human nature and there's only one way we're saving this planet.

Yes that is why the Japan economy miracle of the 1980s are still in the past .
Anemic gdp growth for 30 years .
Still below 1989 level in stock market .
Non existant interest rates for savers , even negative sometimes .
Etc .

Luckily for them and the US , everyone is too much in debts , so they don’t get penalize much .

I did , it was bolded.
You cant destroy something that is bad or dead .
Obv he thinks the us economy is at least good .

ps: ho yes, and it is not over for debts increase in the US.

Again interesting on a theoretical level but we do not yet have ay clue how a fetus would form in that environment and dealing with the radiation. So lots to solve before that.

But yes, once the 'space life' issues are solved generational ships will be the way to go.

And as i understand it fuel would be the least of the challenges. A nuclear powered engine or versions of solar/wind or other such tech can be almost endless in the inertia of space. You only need a small thrust to get going and then use various gravitation pulls for additional power with very little power generation for movement needed so you can save that all for life support functions.

Radiation is a big problem because shielding requires mass that can't be afforded given everything has to be launched from earth. It can be handled once we have off planet maufacturing.

We are probably straying too off topic. I suggest SMP where Masque might explain why Mars is a better bet.

Japan's national debt ballooned massively in the 80s. I agree it was an economic miracle but it's the opposite of what you seem to advocate for.

How close are we to dispatching civilization to mars?

You'd think the people who were, like, absolutely ****ing wrong about everything for the entire history of this political issue might eventually shut the **** up and take a backseat so the non-idiots can drive for a minute, but much like sports pundits, being this wrong only makes their certainty in their takes grow stronger

FYP. Also, you really need look no further than this thread to witness the very phenomenon you are describing.