Do you believe we can solve the problem without China & India not being part of the solution?

You have skeptics I think as we keep hearing since Al Gores first flick. We have 5 years till we cant turn back than its 10 years and it keeps changing

Can someone believe Climate Change is real and sadly greed makes it a problem we will never solve till its to late

Have any of the doomsday prediction scenerios even come close to being true in over the past 40 years?

I've seen the models. China and India are not only in the driver's seat as far as long term human contributions to greenhouse gases, but their countries are going to be some of the most underwater.

Florida disappears as well, but it had a good run.

yeah maybe there is a reason mankind could not exist in certain condition that pre exist humans on earth ....
lets try not be the ones responsible for a flashback.

Your speaking as if climate science are the hardest ever for human to do.
it aint the 1950 no more....

define doomsday ?
end of human civilization ?

i never heard anyone claiming life as we know it would be over prior to 2030 ?

But all the bad projections over time gets confirmed on and on , leading on to a irreversible path tho.

Who is climate and why do they change? Just be yourself damn

This is not a right wing issue. This is oil, gas, and coal industries trying to emulate what the tobacco industry did in the late 1950's onward until the 1970's when it became definitively clear that smoking caused cancer and that second hand smoke also caused cancer.

By denying that global warming was actually happening the oil, gas, and coal industries were postponing the inevitable but profiting off it mightily.

The right wing has taken this on only because they are being paid to do it. Prior to that it was a state by state issue because of the potential loss of jobs. But now that the solar and wind power industries are providing millions of jobs in the US and coal, oil, and gas industries while losing jobs are losing them globally (and in the US).

Unable to deny global warming, oil, gas and coal are now trying to convince people that it is either not their fault (i.e., meshing with right wing propaganda about how racial equity is really white suppression) or that it can't be contained without disrupting our lives (i.e., libs are trying to own us - like door to door vaccines are about coming for our guns).

And yes the US right wing is now the only political party in the world taking this kind of money. Because power is the only way to win apparently.

If we can get solar and wind power to replace oil, gas, and coal, then no we won't have to give up cars.

Not only that but people who buy these cars will start realizing as I have that because there are fewer moving parts, no transmissions and no engines to cool, there are much fewer needed repairs. And of course there is about 3x the savings on gas. In fact for people who work at places that provide free charging (like car dealerships, electric companies, some municipal buildings, casinos, etc.) they will be able to completely pay for their electric cars just on the money they will save from buying fuel.

For the past 30 years almost every single year has been in the top 20 all time of hottest years ever (since they have been recorded). Most have been in the top ten. This will keep happening for the next 30 years. No kidding. Only until we have a negative influx of CO2, methane, etc. into the air will this stop. There is almost no way any carbon capture technologies will be implemented by then (including stopping the loss of trees on the planet).

Wind and solar can't replace carbon fuels without creating enormous environmental disasters of their own, especially if you couple them with all EVs.

If you can't see how this level of hyperbole does the movement immense harm, I'm not sure what to tell you.

I know there's probably at least a little snark hidden in this short comment, but I also suspect deep down you believe some form of it. You're no better than those you so despise. Relax, man.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-...c-predictions/

Not even just slightly off, but couldn't be more wrong, basically the opposite is happening and human flourishing has never been better.

We’ve advanced to the “actually, climate change is great!” part of this discussion.

This is just a terrible terrible antidote. Fossil Fuel give us life as we know it, feel free to venture into the woods with a pack of cigarettes.

This is just false.

Literally impossible and will never happen, have a look at % of global energy consumption. If you are concerned about fossil fuel use and CO2 you should be pushing for Nuclear/Hydro.



Again you are repeating straight up propaganda, no kidding. It's hard to began to point out all of the things you are either wrong or lying about. Like every hot take alarmist talking point crammed into one stupid post, it's pretty amazing. I feel bad for people that live their lives thinking this way.

If only there were an antidote for stubborn ignorance.

Definitely a handful of posters engaging in critical right wing brain****ery praxis ITT.

If you think trusting empirical evidences through the scientific method is not better than a simple beliefs based on a thought , I just can’t help you there .

And it ain’t an hyperbole , environment do affect development of life.
So using past events, when human were not existing yet , and say climate change is not a big deal because it happened before is stupid …

Lol great source !
Competitive Enterprise Institute, that is real science …..jfc.

+1

lol imagine being as invested as Inso0 at writing **** like this on the internet, just post after post of idiotic bullshit to defend the idea that, actually, a better world is not possible

I think this is what you meant. Anyone pushing back against this?

USA Greenhouse Gas Emissions at Early 90’s Level

China Emits Most Greenhouse Gas and It Isn’t Close

As Western World (USA included) Has Flat Lined on GHG since early 90’s India GHG Increased 335%

So anyone calling out India and China?

Ins0 is at least relatively honest about the fact that he's too greedy to care. Sometimes I wish the other climate truthy idiots would follow suit instead of using these long-debunked talking points.

this is the Florida Keys area not after a hurricane or anything like that - just a bad thunderstorm

not an uncommon day

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I think you mean "anecdote"

And no it isn't. The oil, gas, and coal industries have been sponsoring climate change studies for over 30 years now. Paying for results that favor them.

It isn't that I am noticing it. Articles have been written equating their tactics. And executives have claimed to have studied the tactics of Tobacco companies.


Jul 23, 2019 · The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) recorded that renewable energy employment in the United States reached 855,000 direct and indirect jobs in 2018. IRENA reports that the biofuels, solar, and wind power industries provide the most renewable energy jobs in the United States.

By now we are easily over 1,000,000 jobs in the US.

Predictions are that another 300,000 to 500,000 jobs will be created by 2030.

As of now in 4 states it is cheaper to build solar/wind energy than new natural gas plants. By 2025 it will be cheaper in many more states.

Once this happens coal plants will disappear (as they have been), natural gas plants will stop being built. Eventually wind and solar will replace them. I can't say by when but I would guess in 30 years wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear will represent over 90% of energy production in the US.

It is possible that sources other than electricity will ultimately power cars (hydrogen fuel cells, etc.) but I doubt that the world will give up cars any more than they will give up burgers.

I studied this for years after the 1998 stats fiasco. It isn't even close. The global temperatures have been steadily increasing if you use 20+ year rolling averages or more. It was 10 year rolling averages that failed after 1998 because 1998 was so out of proportion hot.

But if you look at individual years since 2000, each year appears in the top 20. This isn't propaganda. It is the scientific truth. It is also very scary.

Similarly for years 1990 through 2000 although there were some that ended up outside the top 20.

Not what I meant. What I meant is even in an utopian world where all hydrocarbons are replaced with wind&solar&battery, we're still looking at a lot of emissions AND different environmental disasters (such as e-waste.)

Call them out as much as possible of course but there are things we can do at home. And by doing well we in turn put pressure on China and India. At minimum, by doing well on our side, we'll be in a much better position to impose some kind of carbon import/consumption tax.

The record of mass deployment of solar/wind to replace nuclear/coal is dubious. See Germany for where electricity costs and carbon emissions both rose after decommissioning nuclear plants. To be clear, wind&solar have been shown to reduce emissions on the margins in limited deployments in particularly favorable conditions (Arizona and parts of ME for example) but their overall track record suggests mass deployment on a regional/national scale just forces countries to get hydrocarbon-based (natural gas & coal most likely at this point in time) backups.

So you don't believe behaviours are, in fact changing amongst the younger generations?

I am not referring to the superficial stuff. I mean genuine attitudes towards this planet, its sustainable and our impact as man?

I am not asking either if you think it misguided or not. Just that you seem to be denying that such thought patterns are definitely different in those areas as opposed to prior generations?


And if you do think they are changing do you not think that is a general positive, even if you think its immediate impact on Climate Change won't help solve THAT problem?

I personally think that the younger generations more 'connected world' view is far superior to my generations and priors more 'disposable world... everything is for our consumption' view and if such a view had evolved decades ago we would be far better off now. If such a view continues moving forward, it may not save the planet from dealing with the costs of climate change but it may pay dividends in other areas, in the future.

This is incredibly important.

Amazingly even though China produces solar panels and knows that it is cheaper now than building new coal plants they still aren't cancelling plans to build coal plants. I was sort of amazed by this but it seems that this is not being caused by the national government but by provinces where individuals stand to gain by the coal plants being built.

So I would call out China but they aren't listening to me.

India i have no clue. My guess is that when renewable energy becomes cheaper than running coal plants they will shift. Natural gas I don't know. Could be a while.