Never heard this expression before and not sure how it applies here.

Elon or Jeff or Vlad could all effectively and individually help solve poverty effectively overnight and slow down climate change and contribute to its solutions, but they won't, because they don't want to. How do we make them want to?

how?

Please take note of my edit, I overstated the case somewhat. In terms of how, what is it you think those 3 figures I mentioned have in common that could be put to use to achieve everyone's goals?

I dispute that even their hundreds of billions combined would solve poverty overnight when it's systemic and as much about historic power imbalances as about money. They won't even try because, well why would they be interested in the plight of the poor when you look at how Bezos for example treats his workers?

It wouldn't have to be a billionaire but someone with an interest (unlike those people) capable of raising capital (and persuading governments) with a convincing plan, much as Bezos did with Amazon which lost an absolute shed load of cash for a long time.

What Bezos has done to conventional retail, someone else needs to do to fossil fuels, but with extreme prejudice.

Yeah water should be free, energy should be free. But then we are basically at Marxism, right?

And what do you suggest by saying that? Someone else should do what Bezos did? like what? ship gas to consumers? Form a cartel? That's what they do in many countries. Bezos isn't alone there.

I think the solution is clear:

1) resources have to stay in each country

2) state controls natural resources, not private companies.

So we the people own the resources not companies, and that is logical. Why does some western company own water sources around the world and the locals are getting smashed by them? answer is money and it's not logical.

Bezos took control of some retail, yes. But not different to what companies like shell are doing with oil.

Here is the reality China emits 1/3 of the greenhouse gases and building coal fired power plants at an alarming rate. Experts say they have no chance of hitting their climate targets even as they are some of the most liberal compared to other countries

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...1827d4a7&ei=31

Why is this alarming to you?

yea and who is emitting the other two- third?

You know the answer to that with I do believe the USA second and India and Russia third and fourth . So you have 3 of the 4 biggest emitters basically doing nothing .

Yeah I kinda knew just wanted to throw a rhetorical question in.

It looks like this: (in tons)


1 China 10,432,751,400 -0.28% 1,401,889,681 7.44 29.18%
2 United States 5,011,686,600 -2.01% 327,210,198 15.32 14.02%
3 India 2,533,638,100 4.71% 1,338,636,340 1.89 7.09%
4 Russia 1,661,899,300 -2.13% 145,109,157 11.45 4.65%
5 Japan 1,239,592,060 -1.21% 126,993,857 9.76 3.47%
6 Germany

Why don't they go nuclear already? I don't get it.

don't want this and
don't want that, but can't have both.

And what's wrong with doing nothing?

I was surprised that Japan and Germany were that high .

I equate climate change to everyone sitting in a sinking boat that is taking on water . Justin Trudeau is bailing out the water with a thimble , The USA is bailing the boat out with a Red Solo Cup while China , Russia and India are using a bucket to gather water from the ocean to add to the boat .

Sadly the boats gonna sink

We need to differentiate between the states and the companies that belong to that state. What's that stat? If it doesn't have the various mining and fossil fuel companies amongst the list then it's just states, which is kinda, if not disingenuous, at very least not particularly illuminating

made in Germany, made in Japan,
the both had their economy grown by exports and manufacturing.

now they all are outsourcing to China. The chimneys are still smoking just in a different country. China's chimneys are bought by the West. So the boat example is alright but we are dumping water into the boat even if is indirectly, all the manufatruring for us is outsourced to China. The people consuming all that stuff are in America and Europe.

China and India kinda have to do what they do or they starve.

“the Republican Party’s foremost amplifier of conspiracy theories and disinformation”


Ron Johnson suggested windmills are killing whales

we are not in a climate emergency, all this climate change alarmism is based
on bad science, completely ignoring the impact of clouds to basically be a heat sink

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...les-rcna104335

If people actually believed there was an emergency, why would they be so opposed to the one source of zero-emissions energy?

It isn’t the same people.

https://themessenger.com/news/brazil...days-of-winter

113F last day of the winter. We were in a climate emergency decades ago, now we are just plain ****ed.

Climate scientists say that the impact on Greece is a warning to the world.

We already have plenty of warning in the united states. People just are not willing to accept it is happening. It should be the #1 issue with nothing else coming all that close.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67017021

My guess is a professional climate scientist doesn't get much excitement in his life, so seeing a hundred year outlier is definitely worth a note in the ol' diary.

that's not a smart guess

I've seen enough behind the scenes YouTubes of nerdy data researchers to believe otherwise.

They're adorably enthusiastic, but easily impressed.