Well COP 2023 starts were all the important folks fly on private jets to talk about impending doom
Yey a majority of them will never meet their targets but will talk a good game

But whattabout Trump's private jet flights?

I doubt Trump's flying to COP? I also don't think he is preaching about Climate Change

The whattabouter becomes the whattabouted. John Kerry flew commercial, what a sucker

I thought Kerry was one of the big hypocrites with a private jet 4 or 5 homes and a stock portfolio heavily invested in Fossil Fuels?

Yeah but taking one commercial flight is posion to these people, a punishment for their doings.
Would you give up your vehicle and take the bus everywhere because it's better for the environment? I sure af won't. Our carbon footprint is exponentially larger than that of some African or Amazon tribesman. I'm still eating meat, industrialized meat, driving, and flying over 20k miles a year (not private don't shoot). Point is you're used to your world of driving, eating meat, etc, and until you stop cold turkey pointing out others for their habits is just a game of whack a mole. Not saying you're wrong to bring it up, just comical thinking elites should bow down to our level unless you're willing to bow down to some tribal level

Im not lecturing the world on climate change nor are you, we never released a movie on climate change

yes lozen.
like u i think all those that "lecture" people about climate change should commit suicide afterwards to prove they care about not leaving a carbon print on earth.
Until they do this i will never believe in their good intention.
They are just lying.

Actually, not at all I said I doubt its a pressing issue for Trump. I believe in Climate change 100 % but sadly I believe in greed as well. Greed will always Trump (no pun intended) climate change policies for much of the world. Sadly we will have to adapt and hope technology solves the problem as in carbon capture.

Until the World sees climate change as the movie saw aliens in Independance Day nothing will happen. Doesn't mean we can't try and do our best . Our Prime Minister uses cardboard water bottles

As well we could solve the carbon problem with nuclear but no one wants to go there

The worst possible disaster we could have is the sea rising right? Since most cities, persons etc live low, a big chunk of worlds population will die. Global economy will inevitably shrink.

But if this is really a human phenomenom, caused by the industrial societies, then no people and no economy = problem solved.

Trying to tweak while still working around the exact same system that is causing the problem will lead to inevitable failure. And a consensus will always be impossible anyway.

I am not sure we will have mass death due to Sea rise, unless you mean all the secondary factors of that as Sea rise is typically slow enough that people can migrate away from the regions.

I guess if countries and people refuse to leave and instead try to block the rising waters ala New Orleans, and those methods fail, we could see mass deaths.

That said, it is going to be, as they say, 'interesting times' to see how certain countries and continents deal with mass lands losses (entire countries lost) while at the same time places like Canada, China, Russia, are gaining mass amounts of liveable, arable land.

I have offered the below prior which shows ~50% of Canadians (~20MM) live in a tiny sliver of border adjacent land within Canada that is South of Seattle. And 80% live a short drive to the US border further.




What the above means is that countries like Canada will have massive opportunity to allow for mass resettlements that will turn those newly opening up lands into productive lands adding massively to GDP growth but of course that is in the face of countries becoming more and more closed to such migrations.

it will cause an 'interesting' tension in the future, I fear as certain countries "benefit" in land gains made while others are wiped out, while resettlement is fought over.

You´re right, and it wouldn´t be instantaneous anyway I believe. If I´m not mistaken, a full meltdown of Antarctica would make the oceans about 200ft higher, and there are a lot of big cities below that threshold that would have to be rebuilt elsewhere, so even without as many deaths as I put in my previous post, the financial/material losses would still be huge.

But yes, I think the worst damage would be on small island countries, small too low countries like Netherlands, and bigger island ones like Japan for example with big populations/density and unfavorable landscapes for resettlement.

Places far from the ocean with more extreme, continental climates would obviously be more or less replaced with ocean moderated ones, maybe this could be a thing for agriculture? Not sure how any of this would play though.

It may be the worst case for what would definitely happen - alongside other serious problem.

But less definitely, runaway climate change would be far worse. Volcanic extinction would also be worse but at least we could argue about whether climate change was responsible for that.

I dont care how anecdotal it is, being able to sit outside in shorts and T shirt, in mid November in the UK is freakish and scary.

You have to be out the wind, but still.

An aussie friend tells me London is warmer than Melbourne. In mid November!!!!

Yup nature talking and no one listening ….
From derp thinking -> it’s because nature is leftish spreading fake news lies ….

So please tell me here what you deem to be fact or fiction?

https://www.wired.com/story/climate-...ent-hurricane/

GG?

Probably not GG (yet) but so much more serious than even the more sensible seem to grasp.

Probably GG for already failed states like Haiti, Sri Lanka and Lebanon. UN already gave up on Haiti, another wave of climate disasters will push few more countries in the same category. Mass famine in Horn of Africa is not far away, Somalia is close to GG as is.
We are already past the point of no return, in early years of climate collapse, another 3-5 years, “only” tens of millions will die annually, mostly in developing countries so we won’t care.

This is when SHTF for the rest of us:


https://youtu.be/qo3cznpfIpA

And no, thawed land in north Canada, Siberia and Greenland will not save us. It’s not as simple as no permafrost, let’s just plant corn. The land under lacks minerals and nutrients, it’s mostly useless.

The idea of everyone switching to EV as a solution goes to show you how delusional we all are. Mass consumerism got us in this mass, let’s mass consume are way out of it, lol.

Bottom Line: This world is coming to an end.

‘World Coming To An End’ undefeated champ was featured on 60 Minutes, which I haven’t watched in years but I guess is now basically a cartoon show.

I watched this as well and in 2010 everyone made pledges not one achieved their goals and the same can be said for 2020.

Bottom line is we have 5 billion to many folks on the planet

Or we have a 1 billion people consuming the equivalent of 5-6 billions people -> aka I need to change my iPhone every year
or the programable end of life of manufacturing goods by the industries ?

Your not wrong there either

Just look at how much food those 1 billion waste a year as well. I'm guilty of it