I guess u will like the flood of hundreds of millions of people going into northern countries like yours once the water level gets high enough and too many extreme weather temperature and natural disaster makes other places inhabitable.

Good luck .

So you admit that Earth getting 2 Celsius warmer makes the quality of life of human beings living in most of Europe and all of Canada (and other areas around the world) objectively significantly better?

My own self interest wrt global warming should then be about impeding poor people entering my country, whole I enjoy the objectively far better climate? That is extremely easy to solve if there is the political will, and not even expensive, unlike climate warming.

Why should I then spend to decarbonize when I can just spend for militaries to sink ships with refugees?

btw I find the "climate refugees" scare offensive of our intelligence. it's a completely made up claim with 0 rational basis, invented purely to try to coherce right-wing people in cold countries to pay for something that they shouldn't pay for.

not only it's possible to solve the problem if it arises with a fraction of the cost just blocking them from entering with as much violence as necessary, it's simply objectively false to claim there will be many such refugees.

life conditions in currently poor country don't get worse with 1 more Celsius (remember that we are already at approx 1.2 more than the 1900 average), when you factor in per Capita GDP growth.

Egypt with 3700 USD per Capita and 29 celsius average is, objectively and measurably, a far worse place than Egypt with 5000 USD per Capita and 30 Celsius, which is what we can expect it to be in 2050.

why would people flee more from an objectively better place?

they won't. if they will move it won't be for the climate, rather because some people here tell them to come and pay them when they reach our countries.

I know u trolling great but there is other issues as well.
fwiw we are trying to LiMIT at 2 degree , that do not mean if we don’t decarbonized it couldn’t get even higher then 2 but obv. That is something u just don’t think about ….

Btw it’s cool u think having more elevated heat waves in Europe in the summer , colder waves in the winter and other worst climate disaster all over the world is great for humanity and doesn’t cost anything when u have to rebuild on the damages it cost .

I’m not even mention sing how it affect natural life cycle and ressources we actually need to survive.

Yeah it’s all about hey I just think 2 Celsius degree is great for me as if that would be a good compensation with all the other **** it would create..

Ps: u think inflation was bad in Europe last 2-3 years , let’s see how it goes with tens of millions more people moving in….

It’s ok to be on the side of the 1% of science paper that says human aren’t responsible for climate changes.
Me I’m on the side of 99% of the paper that says it does.

So if u play poker like u believe in math and science , please let me do where u play I will gladly join your game and lose my money to u .

why do you straw man me? I am saying the world is getting warmer, I am not denying any science.

I am also saying that's absolutely , clearly, transparently not a bad thing (it's actually an exceptionally good thing) for the quality of life of people living in most of Europe, the only deniers of real facts are people claiming Germany or northern Italy become worse places to live in with one or two Celsius more lol.

so if it's fully human caused (that's probably the case) it's even better, we are materially improving life conditions in Europe, and people trying to stop this are literally explicitly trying to damage our countries.

tldr: Europe is objectively too cold, so a warmer Europe is a better Europe

mean while a warmer Egypt is a worse place comparatively that what it would be without global warming, but a richer and warmer Egypt is still a better place than current Egypt.

saying there will be more colder waves in Europe because of global warming is science denials, science obviously says the opposite. more heat waves and fewer cold spells. given cold kills 10x heat in Europe, that means less Europeans dying because of climatic reasons, fighting global warming is literally asking for more European deaths.

Climate changes isn’t just about world getting warmer ffs.
Clearly u need to read a lot more about it …..

It means it will as a WHOLE be higher .
That means increases in volatile conditions and natural disaster in different areas.
Higher heat waves, colder heat waves , increases in frequency and strength of tornado , hurricane and tropical storm ,etc.

You have a denial discourse dating end of the 1990s on the implications of climate changes risk and that is if we are lucky to limit at 2 degrees which we already going to probably exceed at this rate….

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/asia/...hnk/index.html

We are not even talking massive social and economic problem this will entice .
Keep leaving in your “italian bubble” and drill and burn all we can find !

We already have a better quality of life in most of Europe right now because of the approx 1.2 warmer weather.

ofc people wanting to control our lives focus on the negatives but the aggregate effect is clearly beneficial to residents in Europe, right now, contrary to the bullshit claims you keep implying/making here. notice how you quote stuff about non European countries, while I specifically and exclusively claim that Europe (and Canada, and other cold countries) is better off with warming.

warming isn't pareto efficient so you will always find some things that are getting worse in Europe as well, but even just the money saved on heating every winter is much more than the total damage of lower water access in Sicily and what not. beaches being available for more weeks/months per year, more mild days throughout the year, the aggregate effect is massive and positive.

less fossile fuel needed for heating is a national security benefit of massive proportions, we couldn't have sanctioned Russia if it wasn't for global warming giving us extremely mild winters (compared to historical averages). that ALONE I repeat is more than enough to claims warming is decisively beneficial for Europe.

Fog is much less common in northern Italy than before thanks to warming.

That might slightly decrease the quality of some wines while saving human lives (fewer car accidents) , and leaving fewer people disabled for life.

the list of such positives is very long for Europe , published in the same journals where people like you pick and choose the scary claims, yet no one talks about them.

because you need lies to be able to convince Europeans it's not in their self interest to do absolutely nothing for climate warming.

you all know if the claim was honest, ie "you have absolutely nothing to fear from a warmer world, rather you gain from it, but other countries are worse off than they would be, so please be kind and sacrifice for them" would never achieve political majorities , so you lie and keep lying.

You figured it out early, and yet you keep feeding him.

Yes good point

This is funny.

Scientists find the optimal temperature for life (in this case the temperature that maximizes biodiversity) to be 20 Celsius

https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b2499959.html

Then they claim it means climate warming is bad, even if...

I find your post funny.

When that person start using science I cringe .

Climate change/global warming is real. There's NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER about that.

However, the question is are gas stoves, gas vehicles, and cows passing gas causing it or is it a cyclical part of our planet's evolution? What no one talks about is every other planet in our solar system is also going through a "global worming" which scientists say it's due to increased solar activity.

So there you have it (sorry to all the globalists who are using it as an enslavement opportunity).

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/in...9-CC5C23C24651

It is as if u believe any physical activities or burning stuff do not create heat …..

The "very serious people", the "experts" caused a very significant portion of recent global warming in their fight against air and sea pollution



https://phys.org/news/2024-04-eviden...dditional.html

Sulfates cool the planet (allow more energy to be reflected back) , and what did the experts do?

reduce sulfur content in ships fuel by law because reasons.



https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis...20to%20warming.

what's the solution for this insane **** up by experts?

more collectivism of course, more regulations, more socialism, and we can always claim to the general public that the warming is entirely from CO2 (even if we now know the recent spikes aren't), blame fossil fuels and ask for ... more socialism, less consumption, the meat ban and so on and on

If the Sun is trying to kill us, I think we should try even harder to cut CO2 emissions and buy time to put up our defenses.

This whole argument of man made vs natural is dumb. Climate is changing and we should slow down the pace of change and adapt, whether the change is manmade or natural.

It’s not less consumption , it’s just about find better alternative energy through innovation .
And those things u complain it just a way to force innovation to start since not much funding and work been done the last 30 years through your awesome “freedom and free market “….