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04-19-2023 , 10:29 AM

#626

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Should you seek help if you don't hear the environment talking to you, or if you do hear the environment talking to you?

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04-19-2023 , 01:56 PM

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Should you seek help if you don't hear the environment talking to you, or if you do hear the environment talking to you?

Well the way u answer and can’t be serious 2sec explains a lot .

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05-03-2023 , 11:13 AM

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Interesting Opinion Piece on the Green Transition

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/tops...5d002e03&ei=17

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05-03-2023 , 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lozen

Interesting Opinion Piece on the Green Transition

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/tops...5d002e03&ei=17

The piece referenced by the opinion writer is much more interesting:

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2023/04/...ergy-Skeptics/

The conclusion of the opinion writer is idiotic. He's advocating putting our heads in the sand and hoping everything works out all right. Climate change is a much more immediate and comprehensive threat than future mining destruction. I'm definitely in the camp of the ultimate problem being limitless growth in a world of finite resources but going back to fossil fuels just so we can continue growth and living fat until it all falls apart is really really dumb.

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05-27-2023 , 04:25 AM

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8 homes in Norway swept into the sea -
climate change increases the risk of landslides

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05-28-2023 , 04:15 AM

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Ca. cliffs are crumbling and the coastline is being reshaped

the Ca. Coastal Commission is pressing some locales to consider a managed retreat of streets and houses from the shoreline

great pics in the link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...limate-change/

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07-10-2023 , 05:38 AM

#632

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The global temperature record broke at least three times
in a row last week, and this next week may be even hotter.

Clever enough to realize we are destroying our planet.
Too stupid and/or too late to stop it.

The media still calls the current weather "a heat wave" as if it were some anomaly.
It's simply summer as it will be from now on, getting worse every year.

Humanity is speeding toward the edge of the cliff.
And some people are saying it’s all good, just rumours, and they’re stomping on the gas pedal.

When the dust reached Washington, they passed a law...

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07-11-2023 , 03:34 PM

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climate scientists have been telling us for decades,
even small increases in temperature can have big impacts

Last week, Earth broke the record, three times, for the warmest average air temperature

We should make efforts to cool the planet —
removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere through restoring forests, grasslands and coasts

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...rmal-rcna93483

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07-11-2023 , 04:00 PM

#634

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Give Earth some credit. I saw an article today that last week included the seven hottest days on record in the last 100,000 years.

I didn't see specifics on how they recorded accurate temperature readings going back that far, but it was on the internet so it has to be true.

Considering most of this carbon footprint issue we have is related to transportation, I'm going to buy some EV calls.

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07-12-2023 , 07:48 PM

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Considering most of this carbon footprint issue we have is related to transportation, I'm going to buy some EV calls.

Pretty sure that's wrong and it's food production. And there are plenty of scientific methods for accurately gauging historical temperature.

FYI, 'carbon footprint' is known to be a term that the fossil fuel industry came up with, using the same PR firms that helped big tobacco navigate their issues ~50 years ago, in order to put the blame onto the consumer for the impact the individual has on the environment, rather than the fossil fuel companies & mining companies and other big polluters.

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07-12-2023 , 09:07 PM

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He’s correct if he’s talking about the US. Even globally, food production is number four. Still a big contributor of course.

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07-13-2023 , 10:29 AM

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I know it's transportation that spews the most **** into the air, but I'm not as confident it's consumer transportation, specifically.

I suspect our civilization-enabling logistics chain has an outsized contribution to the overall total.

How many commuters does it take to make the same contribution as a single long-haul trucker or shipping barge? Probably on the order of tens in the first case, and many thousands in the second.

Complaining at individual consumers for causing global warming has always been a farce.

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07-13-2023 , 10:48 AM

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He’s correct if he’s talking about the US. Even globally, food production is number four. Still a big contributor of course.

Maybe it depends on whether you consider all the transportation of food and equipment for food and fuel for food production and all those things within the wider bracket of food production or you just keep them in transportation.

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07-13-2023 , 12:08 PM

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I know it's transportation that spews the most **** into the air,

One giant container ship pollutes the air as much as 50 million cars.
Yes, that's 50 million. Which means that just 15 ships that size emit as
much as today's entire global "car park" of roughly 750 million vehicles.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...on%20vehicles.

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07-13-2023 , 12:53 PM

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Nuclear powered cargo ships are probably not an option, ironically, with all the extreme weather caused by climate change.

It seems like there is no way out but downgrading lifestyles, but we've set up a system dependent on perpetual upgrading. I will only vote for candidates committed to really reducing emissions (not Democrats). I would fight in a war over climate change if I had a 20% chance of living through it, like enough people were in the army to reduce emissions such that we had 1 chance in 5 of winning. Maybe if everyone followed this we would be good.

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07-13-2023 , 01:09 PM

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I will only vote for candidates committed to really reducing emissions (not Democrats or Republicans).

FYP to better reflect reality?

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07-13-2023 , 02:14 PM

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FYP to better reflect reality?

Yeah

The practical advice has been vote for Democrats because at least they will do a little something and maybe buy us some time. The window in time where that advice made sense is closed. Not only has the party moved to the right but the crisis has accelerated. The Dems might be driving us to destruction a little slower but it's past the point at which getting off the road is more important than tying to slowing down. Crashing the car and hoping to survive is now a better option than making appeals to the drivers who are looking more and more like implacable mafia goons.

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07-13-2023 , 02:20 PM

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The 50 million figure doesn't really pass the smell test, but it's the internet so I won't care since it further supports the point I was trying to make in the first place.

This isn't a problem that every day people can solve in their own lives, unless that solution means full on homesteading and subsistence farming.

So yeah, as long as we rewind social progress a few thousand years, we'll be all set.

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07-13-2023 , 02:21 PM

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I would take 'driving us to destruction a little slower' than the alternative, which is republicans. The two party system is a big problem, which is partly responsible for this, but you can't fix both problems at the same time doing the same thing. We must still vote for the (slightly) lesser of two evils. Though, in reality, bad as the dems are, the republicans are 100x worse, so it's not just slightly lesser, it's massively lesser.

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07-13-2023 , 02:38 PM

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So your saying were better off with the Dems plans of green energy were most of it is manufactured in China by factories that import their coal from the USA but cant ship it through western US ports so ship it through Canadian ports on those large ships. Than the minerals needed to manufacturer the batteries are mined with no regards for environmental impact or slave or child labor .
That party ?

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07-13-2023 , 02:39 PM

#646

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NIMBYs gonna NIMBY. Out of sight, out of mind.

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07-13-2023 , 03:35 PM

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I would fight in a war over climate change if I had a 20% chance of living through it

I know people think I'm nuts but this is the craziest **** I've ever read on this forum.

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07-13-2023 , 04:18 PM

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That's always the risk when you're arguing with someone in the internet about some nonsense. You never know if they're someone looking for an opportunity to literally lay their life down in a slapfight for Mother Gaia. I say slapfight because I can't imagine they'd want all those munitions gases released into the atmosphere. Fisticuffs only.

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07-13-2023 , 04:48 PM

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I'm not particularly likely to be alive in 6 months anyway so I need a way less than 20% chance. If I weren't in this situation I'd probably be looking for slightly better odds than that but not much better.