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02-17-2021 , 08:23 PM
Deleted tweet of Tx town Mayor who went on a rant about people whining about their problems with no power.

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02-17-2021 , 09:07 PM
What that mayor failed to mention is that the people of his town pay his salary. No one should get paid that doesn't do his job.

Can we all agree that conservative politics is a failed philosophy?
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02-17-2021 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
But what then is the contingency plan for those once a year events?
"Reluctantly" accept federal assistance that you "don't need" but are willing to take since after all the Washington liberal elite and their dastardly GND are the real cause of this problem
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02-17-2021 , 09:56 PM
I haven’t had power for 48 hours and counting in TX. I’m on a text chain with several coworkers who all have the position that this was impossible to predict and that it’s fine because “TX doesn’t make energy companies store product unless the market feels it’s necessary”.

Der Markt always wins bros.
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02-17-2021 , 10:46 PM
Libertarians, like real libertarians that actually thought things through, would get mad if the governments (or corporations that run their locality) took their "tax money" (or contributions) and failed to provide necessary services they paid for.

The modern "conservatism"/"libertarianism" (that seems to run Texas) is a grotesque caricature that even people like Friedman/Mises would not recognize.
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02-17-2021 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
I haven’t had power for 48 hours and counting in TX. I’m on a text chain with several coworkers who all have the position that this was impossible to predict and that it’s fine because “TX doesn’t make energy companies store product unless the market feels it’s necessary”.

Der Markt always wins bros.
TX has been closing coal plants while mandating wind/solar. One of the major benefits of coal is the large amount of on-site fuel storage, the same can also be said about Nuclear.
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02-17-2021 , 11:01 PM
The "market" doesn't get a say because the utility companies have local monopolies and they aren't penalized (not to the appropriate extent anyway) for the damages their customers suffer.
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02-17-2021 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
TX has been closing coal plants while mandating wind/solar. One of the major benefits of coal is the large amount of on-site fuel storage, the same can also be said about Nuclear.
I think you are buying Fox News hype.

That is not the issue in Texas at all.

Texas infrastructure runs predominantly on natural gas and coal. There is no shortage of natural gas or coal stores currently. The problem is the infrastructure to deliver it has frozen up and the energy cannot be processed or flow.






If there was never such a thing as a single wind or solar investment in Texas over the last decade they would be no better off now.

Diversifying the grid has zero downside and only upside in that if one or more streams goes offline hopefully the other can compensate.

In this case wind and solar could not compensate but that does not mean a less diverse grid with more gas, coal and nuclear would have done better as they failed also.
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02-18-2021 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
TX has been closing coal plants while mandating wind/solar.
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02-18-2021 , 02:05 AM
Texas is going all 3rd world and then blaming renewables. That's rich af
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02-18-2021 , 02:39 AM
Ted Cruz fleeing the state to go on a luxurious vacation with his family to warmer weather

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02-18-2021 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I think you are buying Fox News hype.

That is not the issue in Texas at all.

Texas infrastructure runs predominantly on natural gas and coal. There is no shortage of natural gas or coal stores currently. The problem is the infrastructure to deliver it has frozen up and the energy cannot be processed or flow.


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Like the chart. This is a chart of total energy production. Isn’t a chart for Texas electricity production better? Texas state government claims 20% of electricity used by Texans comes from wind sources.

https://comptroller.texas.gov/econom...gust/ercot.php
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02-18-2021 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Texas is currently suffering an unprecedented winter storm that's left its unprepared power grid woefully unable to provide residents with power they need to heat their homes. Let's see what conservative politicians think the takeaway is here:





The state agriculture commissioner:



The governor:



Yeahhhhh about that:



Crenshaw eventually admits this, but zooms right on past it to ultimately blame renewable energy:





The funny thing about this is, wind turbines can work in winter. Natural gas can work in winter. But in order for that to happen you have to prepare for cold weather, which Texas did not. They are in the cluster**** because they did not plan for it, but Dan Crenshaw and his merry band of idiots would have you blame renewable energy. They're not interested in fixing the actual problem. Texans should be furious at these people, but most of them are probably clutching their flags for warmth and blaming Obama or something
I thought greenhouse gasses warmed the planet not cooled the planet. I made a mistake about that. Gore, Biden, AOC say we’re in a climate crises but I thought it was about warming the planet. Guess not. Climate change is about temperature extremes either way and excess green house gasses are the cause of extreme warm weather and extreme cold weather.
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02-18-2021 , 09:47 AM
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I thought greenhouse gasses warmed the planet not cooled the planet. I made a mistake about that. Gore, Biden, AOC say we’re in a climate crises but I thought it was about warming the planet. Guess not. Climate change is about temperature extremes either way and excess green house gasses are the cause of extreme warm weather and extreme cold weather.
The link between short-term heat spikes / cold spikes and climate change is still a subject of debate in research. Climate change overall describes in exactly that, climate. Climate is described on scales beyond short term weather shifts and single seasons. A cold front sweeping across the western hemisphere is an interesting (and sometimes dangerous) weather phenomena, but insofar as climate goes it is a proverbial drop in the ocean (or snowflake I guess).

On a poker forum the logic is fairly easy to explain. A losing player will still win hands, and he can have good nights. He might think he isn't a losing player due to those times, but statistics over time tell another story.
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02-18-2021 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
TX has been closing coal plants while mandating wind/solar. One of the major benefits of coal is the large amount of on-site fuel storage, the same can also be said about Nuclear.
Putting aside the fact that there were incentives, not “mandates”, the current issue is not the source of power. The issue is storage and transmission, which failed miserably. Texas has its own grid which has basically zero requirements for storing emergency capacity, and apparently no requirements for cold weather resilience.

So you’re trading like 5 bucks a month less on your bill for the possibility that the entire state shits the bed in an emergency. This is supposedly a trade off that the free market is totally cool with. Now, you’d think that the response would be “But I, the actual consumer, had absolutely zero say in this decision and it was all made by money hungry private companies which are now charging 1000x the normal rate in a crisis!” But most people I’ve talked to actually DO say they’re cool with it, so I guess I’m just a socialist.
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02-18-2021 , 10:58 AM
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The link between short-term heat spikes / cold spikes and climate change is still a subject of debate in research. Climate change overall describes in exactly that, climate. Climate is described on scales beyond short term weather shifts and single seasons. A cold front sweeping across the western hemisphere is an interesting (and sometimes dangerous) weather phenomena, but insofar as climate goes it is a proverbial drop in the ocean (or snowflake I guess).

On a poker forum the logic is fairly easy to explain. A losing player will still win hands, and he can have good nights. He might think he isn't a losing player due to those times, but statistics over time tell another story.
TY. I was going on what I thought the climate crises is. We very close to the point where the planet will be damaged permanently because the temp will be too high overall. But I guess even if the planet is at that tipping point areas will still go though once in a 100 year cold events too even though the planet is a lot warmer. So people in charge still have to plan for very rare cold weather events even though the planet is lot warmer. I guess I don't know much about this climate crises.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-in-10-charts

Like the temperature is rising rapidly causing Greenland & arctic to heat up. A lot of ice melting. Weird how it gets really cold and snow is Dallas with this going on but it is a very rare unlikely event but plan for it anyway.

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02-18-2021 , 11:04 AM
The party of personal responsibility!!!

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02-18-2021 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
Putting aside the fact that there were incentives, not “mandates”, the current issue is not the source of power. The issue is storage and transmission, which failed miserably. Texas has its own grid which has basically zero requirements for storing emergency capacity, and apparently no requirements for cold weather resilience.

So you’re trading like 5 bucks a month less on your bill for the possibility that the entire state shits the bed in an emergency. This is supposedly a trade off that the free market is totally cool with. Now, you’d think that the response would be “But I, the actual consumer, had absolutely zero say in this decision and it was all made by money hungry private companies which are now charging 1000x the normal rate in a crisis!” But most people I’ve talked to actually DO say they’re cool with it, so I guess I’m just a socialist.

This is the typical Libertarian Gambit.

Do not force me to pay now for a protection in the future I may not need or that the impact of might not impact me as much as others. You are socializing this risk and cost. Instead let the chips fall where they may and those who die, die and those financially devastated by this, will represent a small part of the population. A natural 'cull' and nothing we should give up our 'freedums' for.
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02-18-2021 , 11:46 AM




Ted is just completing his final steps to assuming Donald Trumps final form.

"We're going to walk down and I'll be there with you. We're going to walk down--
We're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol"
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02-18-2021 , 11:53 AM
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Ted Cruz fleeing the state to go on a luxurious vacation with his family to warmer weather

Is that a Patagonia jacket? lol I guess the Carhartt was dirty
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02-18-2021 , 02:36 PM


After refusing to confirm Cruz went to Cancun all night, brainstorming hard for the lie they should tell the world that would get him out of this mess, this is what his brilliant staff came up with:



lmao. "My daughters made me do it!"
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02-18-2021 , 02:40 PM
Not that cruz ever had a chance but this has to be a death knell to anyone presidential aspirations right?
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02-18-2021 , 02:43 PM
The previous 5 rewrites actually blamed AOC but they thought even they could not sell that so they settled on blaming the kids.
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02-18-2021 , 03:50 PM
It's not been a good couple of months for Ted Cruz



In other news, the parts of Texas that aren't on their ****-the-Feds independent energy grid have had reliable power, shocking!

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Some parts of Texas that were battered by the winter storm of 2021 had relatively few homes lose power.

They are primarily in areas outside of those supported by ERCOT, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages the electric grid for 90% of the state and operates separately from federal oversight and regulation.

El Paso County is one place to experience minimal power outages, despite getting battered by the historic winter storm.

“We had about three thousand people that were out during this period, a thousand of them had outages that were less than five minutes,” said Eddie Gutierrez, vice president of strategic communications for El Paso Electric.

Gutierrez said the company learned a hard lesson and after a big freeze hit Texas in 2011. It invested millions in cold-weather upgrades.

“Making sure that we had we could winterize our equipment and facilities so they could stand minus-10 degree weather for a sustained period of time,” he said.

On the east side of the state, several counties around Beaumont also suffered relatively few outages, according to the website poweroutage.us which collects and aggregates data across the country.
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