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05-16-2024 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Can you post the tweet? I would be shocked if that was true.
If I can find it. The basic premise is they know exactly where all the US **** is, and can just overwhelm anti missile defense systems with a giant initial barrage.

Doesn't seem like a super hot take this might be more or less true.
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05-16-2024 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I read something on Twitter that with China's missile/drone technology, our entire Navy/Air Force capabilities anywhere near China would be instantly wiped out in event of conflict.

So our military infrastructure in the Pacific doesn't even have any military utility in the event of a hot war with China. Although I guess the fact all our infrastructure is there is a deterrent in the fact that China would have to commit to a hot war with the US if it decided to start conquering, where if there was no US military capabilities in the region it could theoretically start conquering without drawing the US in.
Considering there is a tweet for everything that's being asked, I don't think there is going to be legitimate account that shares accurate information on military capabilities of the us or china considering that its consistently evolving and basically no one in the public is going to be made aware of it.
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05-16-2024 , 11:33 PM
At that point all of China's invasion force would be gathered in one area. So while potentially true, it overlooks the fact that USA would respond in the same manner against a very concentrated force.

That would also be a declaration of war, which would be the #1 thing China would want to avoid when they send their military to an area not recognized by the UN in order to handle "internal affairs".
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05-16-2024 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
Considering there is a tweet for everything that's being asked, I don't think there is going to be legitimate account that shares accurate information on military capabilities of the us or china considering that its consistently evolving and basically no one in the public is going to be made aware of it.
True enough. But it seems reasonable China could just overwhelm US positions with a giant initial barrage. Nowhere to run or hid on aircraft carriers and small, exposed islands.

I have heard it argued Iran could more or less do this with all our bases in Iraq/Syria. Although Iran's entire economy runs through one port city that would be very easy to destroy, so Iran has strong economic incentives not to have things escalate to that point with the US, Israel or the Sunni monarchies.
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05-17-2024 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
If I can find it. The basic premise is they know exactly where all the US **** is, and can just overwhelm anti missile defense systems with a giant initial barrage.

Doesn't seem like a super hot take this might be more or less true.
I think that the idea that China could completly wipe out all american military bases in Asia in a single stroke is a super hot take tbh.

There are 10 marine corps bases, 4 navy bases and 4 air force bases in Japan alone.
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05-17-2024 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I read something on Twitter that with China's missile/drone technology, our entire Navy/Air Force capabilities anywhere near China would be instantly wiped out in event of conflict.

So our military infrastructure in the Pacific doesn't even have any military utility in the event of a hot war with China. Although I guess the fact all our infrastructure is there is a deterrent in the fact that China would have to commit to a hot war with the US if it decided to start conquering, where if there was no US military capabilities in the region it could theoretically start conquering without drawing the US in.
last year was at a closed door lecture given given by a retired admiral who was in charge of the pacific so his main focus was on potential conflicts with china

during the q&a session someone asked about china's anti-carrier missiles

he felt confident that carrier groups had sufficient maneuverability (they are in constant movement of over 35 mph - this is by design specifically to make targeting with missiles difficult) and counter measures would heavily negate the threat of those missiles - however he did concede that nobody would actually know how effective they are until they are finally put to use vs an actual carrier group

there's also a non-zero chance he gave a nothingburger answer because the truth is not publicly disclosed
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05-17-2024 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I read something on Twitter that with China's missile/drone technology, our entire Navy/Air Force capabilities anywhere near China would be instantly wiped out in event of conflict.

So our military infrastructure in the Pacific doesn't even have any military utility in the event of a hot war with China. Although I guess the fact all our infrastructure is there is a deterrent in the fact that China would have to commit to a hot war with the US if it decided to start conquering, where if there was no US military capabilities in the region it could theoretically start conquering without drawing the US in.
China could empty its entire clip of (non-nuclear) missile arsenal and still probably fail to destroy American assets in the region. Doubtful they even get the 7th fleet.

We got thousands of Patriot missiles, hundreds of destroyers and cruisers each carrying tens of interceptors, and many of whom carry additional anti air (CIWS for example).

The US has been building anti missile defense since WWII and, in no small part thanks to the Israelis getting to test against tens of thousands of rockets, has gotten quite good at it.
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05-17-2024 , 05:59 PM
Also pretty much every Chinese military installation on the coasts should start evacuations before the missiles land.
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05-17-2024 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
China could empty its entire clip of (non-nuclear) missile arsenal and still probably fail to destroy American assets in the region. Doubtful they even get the 7th fleet.

We got thousands of Patriot missiles, hundreds of destroyers and cruisers each carrying tens of interceptors, and many of whom carry additional anti air (CIWS for example).

The US has been building anti missile defense since WWII and, in no small part thanks to the Israelis getting to test against tens of thousands of rockets, has gotten quite good at it.
Ok. I'll take the L on this one. You guys are probably right. I dont have any conviction the information I read was correct. Just seemed interesting if it was.
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