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09-22-2022 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
did you see the masses of people marching down the streets in Mexico with no shoes looking like bums moving towards your border? no? well I did. they are not all from Venezuela I can tell you that much. they are from whole Latin America. and they are definetly not all asylum seekers. you should look at some numbers.
Oh noes! The midterm caravans are cominnnnnnnnng!
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09-22-2022 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
did you see the masses of people marching down the streets in Mexico with no shoes looking like bums moving towards your border? no? well I did. they are not all from Venezuela I can tell you that much. they are from whole Latin America. and they are definetly not all asylum seekers. you should look at some numbers.
This is horrid.

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Originally Posted by washoe
I am for poor people and open borders.
But (and pretending what we support matters), I'd take those horrid thoughts and someone supporting open borders over someone with nicer thoughts who supports arresting millions of people a year, continuing to build the wall, and continuing to detain hundreds of thousands of people.

Since the policies we support don't really matter, maybe the thoughts are more important though.
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09-22-2022 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
National regulations for asylum seekers vary from country, and I am no specialist on US rules. Still, it would surprise me greatly if fresh asylum seekers have work permits.

there are caravans going through Latin America, but it's hard to tell what they are running from. is it violence, is it poverty?

"Central American migrant caravans"

"There is some disagreement as to whether the migrant caravans are primarily composed of refugees seeking asylum or are merely large concentrations of traditional economic migrants. Numerous human rights organizations document the increase in violence and abuse in recent years in Central American countries.[5][6]["

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent...grant_caravans


"The causes of the migration, as well as the proper way to settle or deport the migrants themselves, remains a source of political debate within the U.S."


"cited by Amnesty International, noted that between 2007 and 2012, several Central American countries had the highest average annual female homicide rates in the world, although the average annual male homicide rates in the world are higher.[9][10] Other studies of the composition of the caravans indicated that the caravans more resemble traditional economic migrants.[11"

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09-22-2022 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
Id imagine expanding section 8 vouchers would be far more cost effective than buying the property.
Do you really think a Martha’s Vineyard owner would take a sec 8 appilcant?
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09-22-2022 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
lol, Republicans love to rail about what an oppressive horror show Venezuela is, until actual Venezuelan refugees show up.
actually you were right I guess, of course you are in the U.S.. Venezuela seems to be terrible and they try to enter en masse.

"On 1 July 2022, some 2,000 migrants, mostly Venezuelans, walked out en masse in the southern Mexico city of Tapachula to pressure authorities into allowing them to continue to the United States.[128] On 5 July, a caravan of almost 7,000 people departed from Tapachula. They broke up in Huixtla after two days.[129]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent...grant_caravans


Honduras and Guatemala seem to suck just as much.
wtf happened to South America?

oh now it get it, they are saying they are asylum seekers, escaping danger, otherwise the US is turning them around and is not taking them.. get it? they lie, because they have to.

"President Donald Trump says these families are putting the United States in peril. The migrants themselves insist they are fleeing danger, not bringing it with them."


Anna", 25, says she escaped Guatemala with her two-year-old son because she feared the boy's father was going to kill him."


whatever they are fleeing, it must suck! so let them.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43950753.amp

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09-22-2022 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by meshanti
Do you really think a Martha’s Vineyard owner would take a sec 8 appilcant?
Martha's vineyard is mosty uninhabited. business as usual. look:
it happens in new York too. change the tax for superrich and spread the wealth.

all other proplems such as climate change would evaporate.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/05/nearly...row-buildings/
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09-22-2022 , 03:38 PM
Is Section 8 going to pay for the wear and tear on these luxury units as well?

I'd be pretty pissed if the government forced me to take a section 8 voucher, only for the tenant to immediately destroy a $120k countertop by placing a giant pot of freshly boiled noodles directly on it.

Or having their kids cause $19k worth of water damage to the finished basement by flushing vape pens and condoms down the toilet for weeks/months leading into unprecedented rainstorms.
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09-22-2022 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
In general in this thread there seems to be a sore lack of knowledge as to what an asylum seeker is. An asylum seeker is a person who has fled (or claims to have fled) their country due to the risk of harm or harm to their person.
  • They are not illegal immigrants, an asylum seeker follows established protocol to apply for the right to stay.
  • They are not work immigrants, an asylum seeker rarely has a permit to work right away.
  • They are not automatically refugees, that is a status afforded if their application is approved.*
* They can be regarded as refugees even before a verdict on their application, if they are recognized as such under the UN refugee convention or equivalents.

As long as the person is an asylum seeker, it means they have yet to receive a verdict on their application to stay.
But:

- they are brown or at least not considered white in the way US white nationalists would recognize
- each and every US election since 2016 has had a very specific focus whipped up by the GOP on the coming 'Brown Menace'
- 2016 GE - Stop the raping and murdering brown Mexicans who are crossing the border
- 2018 MT - Stop the raping and murdering Caravans of brown people coming up from S.America
- 2020 GE - Stop Antifa from moving into the suburbs or you will have more people who look like Corey Booker in your neighbourhoods


I actually thought the GOP was set for a win in 2022 MT by combing a fear and the hate on LGBTQ+ plus Critical race theory, whereas the "Fear the Brown Menace' fell flat with independants and many others prior, but the GOP just cannot resist a good 'Brown Menace' narrative.
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09-22-2022 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
lol, Republicans love to rail about what an oppressive horror show Venezuela is, until actual Venezuelan refugees show up.
Or when their Mango Mussolini, hires a lawyer who has registered as a Venezuelan FOreign Agent.

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09-22-2022 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
They are pretending to be until they get a check from the prison or pharma lobby, or whoever will fill their pockets. The dems are puppets pretending to solve a problem but never do. They might be officially but cannot get things accomplished for like 60 years now or how long is it?
Would they need 60 votes to decriminalize pot? Or at least remove the schedule 1 classification

One thing I do give our tyrant of a leader for is Making Pot legal in Canada and taking in all the Syrian Refugees after that it was a trainwreck
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09-22-2022 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Would they need 60 votes to decriminalize pot? Or at least remove the schedule 1 classification

One thing I do give our tyrant of a leader for is Making Pot legal in Canada and taking in all the Syrian Refugees after that it was a trainwreck
The schedule 1 classification is probably administrative-- which means the FDA would be able to that on it's own without legislative approval-- could be wrong this is just a guess.
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09-22-2022 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Is Section 8 going to pay for the wear and tear on these luxury units as well?

I'd be pretty pissed if the government forced me to take a section 8 voucher, only for the tenant to immediately destroy a $120k countertop by placing a giant pot of freshly boiled noodles directly on it.

Or having their kids cause $19k worth of water damage to the finished basement by flushing vape pens and condoms down the toilet for weeks/months leading into unprecedented rainstorms.
I can't imagine anyone would be that stupid.

Who would pay $120k for a countertop that would get ruined by putting a pot of boiled noodles on it?
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09-22-2022 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Is Section 8 going to pay for the wear and tear on these luxury units as well?

I'd be pretty pissed if the government forced me to take a section 8 voucher, only for the tenant to immediately destroy a $120k countertop by placing a giant pot of freshly boiled noodles directly on it.

Or having their kids cause $19k worth of water damage to the finished basement by flushing vape pens and condoms down the toilet for weeks/months leading into unprecedented rainstorms.
Oh good, I was hoping we would get the landlord position itt.
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09-22-2022 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I can't imagine anyone would be that stupid.

Who would pay $120k for a countertop that would get ruined by putting a pot of boiled noodles on it?
You're not very imaginative then.

Both of those examples are things that occurred recently here.

The countertop cracked in the first instance, and the ball of vape pens and condoms were located with the snake camera after our client blamed a shoddy install for the sewer backup on their brand new million dollar addition.

Whether your counters are $50/sqft or $500/sqft, use a trivet.
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09-22-2022 , 06:42 PM
Wow those people who aren’t asylum seekers sure dicked you over Ins0. No sure what it has to do with this thread tho.
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09-22-2022 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
You're not very imaginative then.

Both of those examples are things that occurred recently here.

The countertop cracked in the first instance, and the ball of vape pens and condoms were located with the snake camera after our client blamed a shoddy install for the sewer backup on their brand new million dollar addition.

Whether your counters are $50/sqft or $500/sqft, use a trivet.
What a moron spending that much money on such a fragile countertop. Crazy world.
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09-22-2022 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Wow those people who aren’t asylum seekers sure dicked you over Ins0. No sure what it has to do with this thread tho.
I like how he's a property manager cosplaying as an owner at every turn
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09-22-2022 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
I like how he's a property manager cosplaying as an owner at every turn
The job of a property manager is to have the owner's best interest in mind.
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09-23-2022 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
What a moron spending that much money on such a fragile countertop. Crazy world.
The sort of things rich people spend their money on never ceases to amaze me. The end result always looks amazing, but I'm more of a utilitarian than one looking to impress people with how shiny my stuff is.

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Originally Posted by nutella virus
I like how he's a property manager cosplaying as an owner at every turn
You guys always say this like it's some sort of dig that I don't own all of this real estate personally. It's a small office and I enjoy being well-compensated for my time without the loss of sleep that goes along with being the actual owner of the company. I get his constant 3am e-mails, but not until I wake up at 8 most days. The owner has a much larger house than I do, and that's fine. More risk, more reward. My having an ownership mindset leads to fat checks and job security. I can handle some snarky comments from strangers on the internet as a consequence.


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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The job of a property manager is to have the owner's best interest in mind.
Right, and as it pertains to the comment that started this, no owner is going to willfully rent their high end vacation home to a section 8 recipient.
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09-23-2022 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The job of a property manager is to have the owner's best interest in mind.
man, I could think a lot of analogies for this. the 2 most apt will proly get me banned.

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Originally Posted by Inso0
The sort of things rich people spend their money on never ceases to amaze me. The end result always looks amazing, but I'm more of a utilitarian than one looking to impress people with how shiny my stuff is.



You guys always say this like it's some sort of dig that I don't own all of this real estate personally. It's a small office and I enjoy being well-compensated for my time without the loss of sleep that goes along with being the actual owner of the company. I get his constant 3am e-mails, but not until I wake up at 8 most days. The owner has a much larger house than I do, and that's fine. More risk, more reward. My having an ownership mindset leads to fat checks and job security. I can handle some snarky comments from strangers on the internet as a consequence.




Right, and as it pertains to the comment that started this, no owner is going to willfully rent their high end vacation home to a section 8 recipient.
ofc you dont lose sleep. most people would. thats why most people arent "collaborators".
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09-23-2022 , 01:59 PM
Most people wouldn't actually. Have you met people?
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09-23-2022 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Would they need 60 votes to decriminalize pot? Or at least remove the schedule 1 classification

One thing I do give our tyrant of a leader for is Making Pot legal in Canada and taking in all the Syrian Refugees after that it was a trainwreck

Well thats the least he could do I think with the refugees. There were canadian troops in syria right?



yes there was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Impact


and the pot? they just follow suit. they all do now. USA first and then canada, then europe.
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09-23-2022 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
and the pot? they just follow suit. they all do now. USA first and then canada, then europe.
I, um, wait, what?
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09-23-2022 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I, um, wait, what?
I am talking about western countries there. If you forget about Holland, that is. The rest of europe is lacking way behind. It is superbad and outdated in all of the rest of Europe.
USA was first to legalize pot, right? Or was it Canada? idk the exact order there, but europe definitely is following suit now, and its not becuase of holland, holland had it for decades. The US recently made it legal, and now Euope. They are still talking and talking and have made no calls.

The pressure is there, and only because you guys did it first. Thats my impression, its as clear as chrystal.

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09-23-2022 , 06:00 PM
And you guys are telling me he isn't a super troll
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