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She was attempting to violently enter a secure area via a broken side light.

The security team didn't allow the breach.

Seems like good work all around from a law and order perspective.

What's your beef ?

I dont think she should have been shot. I think the police acted poorly by shooting her. she was just a brainwashed imbecile. its really sad. she obv didnt pose a threat to anyone.

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01-08-2021 , 02:13 AM

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01-08-2021 , 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Trump insurrections sure bring out the best posters out from out of the woodwork.

get “out” of here

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01-08-2021 , 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rococo

Inso0 apparently lives in a world where the purpose of the protest is utterly irrelevant.

It’s a world where intentional murder and fully justified self-defense killing are equivalent.

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01-08-2021 , 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GTO2.0

This may surprise you, but a couple thousand extra people isn’t going to clog anything.

There’s like 80,000 federal felons a year.

New York County - just manhattan alone - has about the same number of misdemeanor cases filed per year. When Occupy was a thing they arrested hundreds of people for riot/disorderly conduct type stuff and worked through it pretty easily.

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01-08-2021 , 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

A white girl was killed while committing a b+e so now you have a license to kill all blacks.

Beautiful.

It’s actually worse.

Now you have a license to kill all blacks who are protesting unjust racial violence

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01-08-2021 , 02:39 AM

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Hawley is basically the white supremacist senator from Watchmen and super wants to be president, like really bad, so obviously he will never resign and pretend none of yesterday ever happened for the rest of his career, and will prob defeat a Dem challenger in 2024 (who raises more money than McGrath, for no reason) by 12 points because Missouri is deplorable central

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01-08-2021 , 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by grizy

What non-sense. The Wisconsin protesters didn't storm the Wisconsin's State Capitol with weapons or get anyone killed. Nor did they vandalize legislators' offices (at least not as a matter of course).

Just c'mon. Get over yourself and just admit you're one of the cowards that let the nutjobs think it's okay to storm the US Capitol with weapons to subvert the democratic process.

While said capital was in the process of certifying the Presidential Election, and doing so at the behest of the loser of said election.

Inso is representative of the median Republican: it’s not hard to see how Nazism flourished in recent human history.

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01-08-2021 , 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GodgersWOAT

It’s a world where intentional murder and fully justified self-defense killing are equivalent.

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01-08-2021 , 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Hey guys, is this CANCEL CULTURE?

PSGWSP

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01-08-2021 , 02:51 AM

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Who decides the validity of riots? Let's say one group wants to riot because they think not enough is being done for climate change. Another group thinks income taxes are too high. Which group is allowed to say destroy property because their reason for rioting is better?

Again, the analogy to justified killing is apt.

It’s a fact-based inquiry into the reasonableness and merits of the claims and actions.

In your examples, there is not enough information:
1. What does “riot” in each case entail? What is the specific damage being done and to whom.
2. Where is the riot occurring?
3. What is the context of that particular area’s focus on climate? Have they just built smokestacks in every residential neighborhood (riot= more warranted!)
4. What “group” thinks income taxes are too high (super rich= less warranted).
5. What “property” is being destroyed? Confederate statues? Good! The Capitol building? Bad!

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01-08-2021 , 02:52 AM

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You really just need to
1. Not be raised by wolves and then
2. Think

And it’s pretty simple to parse.

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01-08-2021 , 03:01 AM

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If, for example, the protest and storming of the capitol was in response to Congress refusing to hear any challenges to election irregularities and ignoring claims of fraud that were conceded to have occurred by neutral observers, then it would have been much more justified.

They had dozens of days in front of dozens of courts, including many Trump appointed Judges and NONE OF THEM found any scintilla of merit in ANY of the claims much less anything that could have come close to making a difference in the election.

That this needs to be spelled out for businessdude et. al is a tragic commentary on conservative thought.

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01-08-2021 , 03:05 AM

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Let's see how the domestic terrorists have reacted to the fallout of the last couple days

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01-08-2021 , 03:13 AM

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PSGWSP

Yeah. Public companies generally don't like being associated with failed coup attempts.

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01-08-2021 , 03:16 AM

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Among Trump’s ‘very special’ people?
Men in t-shirts declaring 6 million murdered Jews ‘weren’t enough’

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01-08-2021 , 03:26 AM

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The House will impeach Trump tomorrow or early next week. The article of impeachment for inciting insurrection against Congress will be sent over to the Senate. McConnell has scheduled the next Senate session for January 19. There will probably be a deal made with Trump that if he plays nice, resigns or not, gets on Air Force One and flies to Florida on January 19, the Senate will let the article of impeachment expire with the end of his term; but if Trump tries any more shenanigans, the Senate will convict him and thus ban him from political office for life.

Trump being the psychopath he is, he will play nice until his term expires and then he will go right back to inciting insurrection. I think he will immediately declare he's running for re-election in 2024, his Parler crowd will immediately embrace him, and then there's no real way to prosecute him either, because then it just looks like a political prosecution. And in any event, Trump can probably have DeSantis and mobs of people down there physically protect him from arrest anyway.

He's not going to go away, and since the Democrats are a lock to **** up things and get voted out in the next 2-4 years, Trump will spend that time primarying as much GOP opposition as he can so that in 2024 his cabinet can be full of people like Giuliani, Lin Wood, and Michael Flynn.

I doubt Trump will continue to enjoy anywhere near the popularity he does now after he is out of office. His supporters care little about Trump the person or Trump the politician - they love what he is able to achieve, which comes down to making liberals cry and bucking norms. He can't really do either of those things once he's out of power. It's not like he has a loyal following of ideologues who support his policies, because he has no policies.

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01-08-2021 , 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

The House will impeach Trump tomorrow or early next week. The article of impeachment for inciting insurrection against Congress will be sent over to the Senate.

Sadly it won't happen.

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Trump being the psychopath he is, he will play nice until his term expires

I question if Trump can keep it together for almost two weeks.

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and then he will go right back to inciting insurrection.

Absolutely!

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He's not going to go away, and since the Democrats are a lock to **** up things and get voted out in the next 2-4 years ...

Sad but true.

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01-08-2021 , 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fdevny

Not true says the CHPD,
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53...ath-are-wrong-

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Good news, thanks.

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

WaPo now reporting the police officer who was reported dead and then reported not to be dead is in fact dead as of tonight (I don't think they ever reported him dead to begin with so they're calling this breaking news)

CNN saying the same:

US Capitol Police confirm death of officer after pro-Trump riot

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01-08-2021 , 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

So weird the people who boycotted the NFL over kneeling would replace the American flag with the Trump flag, and drop the American flag on the ground. So damn confusing.

I'm starting to wonder if the right-wing outrage at NFL players kneeling might not have been about the flag or the troops or the anthem after all.

Say it ain’t so.

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01-08-2021 , 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Let's see how the domestic terrorists have reacted to the fallout of the last couple days

And then these people wonder why nobody takes their request to "audit the ballots and dominion machines" seriously. They will say the machines have already been tampered with. They will keep moving the goal posts forever just like a flat earther / moon hoaxer / 911 truther does. No amount of evidence will ever satisfy them, and when there's no evidence left to give they'll just accuse you of being a part of the cover up.

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01-08-2021 , 04:25 AM

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Let them fight

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01-08-2021 , 05:48 AM

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NY Times article on the organizing behind storming of the Capitol: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/u...-building.html

WaPo article on the events as seen an experienced on the inside: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...356_story.html

The US should count itself very, very lucky that the evacuation plans worked after the security cordon around the Capitol failed.

Portraying this as people strolling through the Capitol or a minor case of civil unrest is false and dangerous. Congress was attacked, the defense failed, people have died. To think that no-one in this attack had anything worse in mind than to sit in a chair is naive.

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01-08-2021 , 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

honestly I dont think they should get in trouble. maybe a few of them if they were violent. but the people just running around or sitting in chairs whatever.

ofc I dont really think any of the people in the protests over the summer deserved any punishment either so whatever.

Lol, I like how all of you "cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds" type people are the first ones to cry about a fascist getting plugged by a cop during an attempted coup by a ragtag bunch of fascists, and the first one to say they shouldn't be get in trouble.

I'm sure your buddies BakedAlaska and Nick Fuentes are glad to have friends like you.

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01-08-2021 , 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

I hope you're wrong, because impeaching him without an expectation of success is a bad idea IMO. That doesn't mean they won't do it; I can see it going either way. I'm leaning towards they won't since I read that Biden isn't in favour, but if they somehow get Republican support ahead of time (I'm not optimistic about this), I think they will and they should.

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