As this comes up often in other threads as tangential discussions, and as we have a core of people here who insist there is no such thing, lets use this thread to offer examples and dive into what Cancel Culture is, from the left side and how insidious and dangerous it is.

(this thread is in no way denying the cancel culture that exists on the right which usually involves pursuit of power and use of laws (ie Ron DeSantis) but no one here denies that so lets not whatabout up this thread)


Here is a quick and easy example of what Cancel Culture on the left looks like.


Point 1 :




Cliffs on this Cancel Culture controversy

- guy tweets a harmless and perfectly acceptable joke
- someone in his work place takes offense and admonishes the bosses for him being allowed to work there still
- guy takes down tweet and apologizes
- person who complained had screen shot it and thus puts it back up calling for more action saying no work place should allow 'jokes' others do not like
- guy gets suspended without pay for a month
- another employee tweets in support of the first guy and then calls come for discipline against this guy for his support of that harrassment (joke)


People here will scoff at the childishness of the above as not meaningful but it is exactly what is putting a chill on others ability to speak in ways that should not be an issue.
This idea that any joke or comment that a single person finds unfunny or takes offense to needs to be actioned is just a disgrace and a dangerous one at that.




Cancel culture summary:

- Thought policing (check)
- Demand that a One True Opinion be recognized as the only appropriate one. That being the most sensitive or biggest Virtue Signalers.
- refusing to accept an apology and move in and instead using the apology to try and bury the person and extract an even higher price. (Trump has this one right. NEVER apologize.)



People scoff at Thought and Speech policing from the Left, but this will be the source of unending Culture Wars and a prompt to even worse blow back from the far right. It is not productive and its not good unless your goal IS the conflict, to out bad people to have more to fight and to virtue signal against. And the people with that latter goal are actually more harmful to everyone (including the left) and really do no good.

So this thread will be used to highlight the different elements of Leftist Cancel culture and the dangers since there is such an active campaign in this forum to deny any such existance.

Point 2 : 'Outing the 'bad people' so you can then condemn them

It is one thing to Companies, Owners and Organizations to take very public positions in support of various causes or movements. Policing, Military, LGBTQ+, BLM, etc.
It is quite another to force individuals to also become broadcasters and symbols of such support.

When it comes to certain issues, that the left supports (ones I generally agree with), the far left position on demanding compliance and rationalizing it as a 'wrong' is a very dangerous and wrong, in my view.

Imagine demanding a Team route out what a person is thinking if they skip a 'support event'?

How can that be an offense? You say nothing against it. You do nothing to hamr it. But you do not show up in support and we must know why so we can out you as a bad person.

A Team or its Owners may make a strategic decision to be Pro Policing, Pro Military, Pro anything for monetary or other reasons. Demanding each individual be an avatar of that Messaging in a very public way that others will assume means they hold a supporting view is very wrong.

An individual has a right in the past to 'support the Iraq War effort' or to 'Not support the Iraq War effort' and to not be forced to be an Avatar either way in conflict with their views.

This type of tactic is now a favorite of the Far Left.
The Far Left loves this issue as it allows for the 'Outing' of all sorts of 'bad people' who are quietly religious and whom you might never never know did not support certain things because they would otherwise utter no words nor take any bigoted actions and would just quietly live their lives with their prejudiced held tight to their chest.

The far left sees that as a wasted opportunity and they need to 'Out the Bad People' to condemn and thought police them in a way that exactly mirrors this Seinfeld joke, which if you go back to Point 1, is probably also up for cancelling now.



Cliffs of video:
- Kraemer voluntarily goes out to support Aids walk and raise money for the event
- Kraemer does not want to wear ribbon for unknown reason. He is immediately confronted with 'EVERYONE must wear the ribbon'
- group assumes there must be some nefarious intent that they should out and threaten him and force him to comply



Lots more like this...
Some Rays players choose not to wear LGBTQ Pride Night patches

Lets not forget recent Washington Assistant Coach fined $100,000 for having an opinion

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/commanders...152844178.html


THe lady at the Washington post finally did get fired after trashing the Washington Post

The above is not accurate according to google.

Its amazing that you fail to mention the company is in fact The Washington Post.

Cam Harless (the co-host of the podcast The Mad Ones and a "prominent web star from Florida") tweets the joke originally.

This is retweeted by a journalist at the Washington Post.

Which is retweeted by the offended coworker/journalist. It was not a screen shot etc, just a retweet.

The og retweeter was suspended for one month and has subsequently apologized after the complaint.

It was not some witch hunt at a random company, but a media organisation that wants to maintain optics with its consumers.

cancel karen gets asked to leaves the airplane.

Why does the company matter?

And the Cancel Culture element is that such a benign and harmless joke is being made toxic deliberately by the cancel culture left so that companies will ban wide swaths of any such thought.

There is a very aggressive and well thought out and deliberate movement to just make entire areas of thought and speech off limits.

The company matters because its a high profile company and it does not want its employees who are in the public eye and who make news for public consumption to be seen to be making sexist jokes.

Corporate control of public messaging by its employees is absolutely standard and has been going on for years.

Its The Washington Post, cmon, handwaving that away is ridiculous.

If it was some run of the mill widget making firm in whereever Idaho its a completely different situation.

Going to have to show a lot more work to get close to proving an orchestrated campaign.

Yes but when it was pointed out he immediately deleted the retweet and apologized. You should be able to move on but the other reporter screenshot the tweet and made a huge deal of it.

When do we except an apology and move on for a joke that was funny

WaPO is on the right guys...

The above did not happen.

Other reported did not take a screenshot, they simply retweeted it, which would not have been possible if the original tweeter had deleted it.

There is a large contingent of younger people. Often women, poc, lgbtq, etc. who have been trained to see all old white men as 'the enemy'. It was an easy sell of course. But it's not a good long term strategy.

It's just a tactic used by the Dems and GOP to divide the lower and working class white men from others in the lower and working classes that are their natural allies in most actual important life goals (health care, education, job security, clean air and water etc...).

When you see a woman at the top of the social apex on her fainting couch because life has treated her so unfairly just smile and tell yourself, Trump will be back and he's probably never going to leave this time...and it's really okay.

if you are desiring to be a public figure like a NAMED journalist at a major publication then you need to not be a ****ing dumbass and tweet, retweet, & endorse sexist/anti-lgbtq takes.


this isn't hard. when your "brand" is your name, dont be a bigot on main.


if this is the start of your big "the left is bad too" thread.. im excited to see the rest of this dumpster fire of whataboutism

I never hand waved it away.

I just did not understand the distinction you were making nor why it jumped out to you and you thought it should have to me. I understand your point and, yes, i agree generally that that bigger more public corps will be more sensitive and I think that is fine.


The point I am making here however is on the ridiculousness of Cancel culture and how they are shifting the norms thru shaming and protest and thought policing and speech policing.

If that type of joke is where the line has moved to be considered 'unacceptably sexist', can we acknowledge that is due to the hysteria on the left to police the speech and thought on anything that touches even tangentially on 'gender' issues. Sure that joke makes fun of 'girls' but that is not the real message there which is simply a play on the 'Men are Mars, Women are from Venus' type joke which is making good fun of the challenges of communications.

Ironic that a joke lightly mocking the CHALLENGES of communication would be considered offside simply because it includes one gender within the joke.


That is what Leftist Culture is though. Humourless, destructive thought and speech policing that refuses to consider nuance or context or message, while they focus on words and who might get offended.

the part that was humorless was the joke that was retweeted.


i love that you are debating this like it was some kind of philosophical take that people had a problem with rather than a herp derp sexist joke that also tied in some anti lgbtq sentiments.. "consider the nuance".. lol

Apologies are NOT accepted and used to move on by the far left. They are absolutely used to then escalate and bury the person who apologized. Almost always it leads to escalations and a piling on then of lies and misrepresentations that the person cannot then escape because the people will say 'See he acknowledged he did it... get him' as they misrepresent the apology as applying to all the accusations against the person and not just specifically what he said in his apology.

Al Franken explained that is why he felt he had to resign because after he apologized the things attributed to him only grew and it was like trying to put out wildfires, because for every one thing someone would lie and say you apologized for, 10 more accusations would appear. It becomes an unwinnable game of Whack A Mole but now fueled dishonestly by your apology.


Trolly did the exact same thing here, when Rogan uttered his apology. Rogan apologized to anyone who might have been offended by his words while clarifying what he meant. Trolly instantly jumped to the Cancel Culture tactic and lied saying 'FFS Rogan even apologized for being racist' which he never did. But Trolly was did not hesitate in using that apology to foster a new and WORSE slander and lie against him, in the usual way the left tries to bury people (cancel them) under lies.

It would have been easier to just retitle the Rogan thread. OP already has written several hundred posts on this topic.

The politics and profile of the organisation obviously matter because all it shows if they censor their own employees is that censoring/cancelling or whatever is happening within the boundaries of that perspective set.

Left wing people telling other left wing people not to say something in no way proves the thesis of your post.

If however its some totally average middle of the road company making widgets then that would prove your thesis because it shows the censoring in wider society, which is the basis of your thesis.

left wing people have been telling other left wing people not say stuff for decades.

Also however sexist the joke is pure carlin meme.

If that joke is considered to be across the line then the toxic left and Cancel Culture is truly a massive threat and needs to be recognized as such.

These exclamations that something is 'seixst/anit-lgbtq+ take' simply because it is decried, with no analysis and reflection IS the problem.

That is a silly take. The argument here is much broader than the Rogan focus which was mostly focused on his words and the perception of him.

Time and again we have posters on this site suggesting that Cancel Culture is not a thing and just a fabrication of the right to smear the left.

Cancel Culture is clearly a thing, and the point being on how silly and minor a thing said or done can be to ignite a Cancel Culture storm, the liese and smearing and the lack of critical thought of those who pile on and just suggest 'others behave better to avoid cancel culture and then it won't be a thing'.

The bigger point being if such a silly and harmless joke is so offside it means Cancel Culture is a thing and much more insidious than anyone is willing to admit. If policing yourself to those standards is now the requirement then you best just never tell any joke that in any way touches on social or sexual mores because if you think you can navigate that line, you will be up for a surprise.

Of course it proves the thesis.

The thesis is over the shifting line of what is considered acceptable and who is defining that. And then the punishments they apply to offenders and the pressures they put on others to also punish.

That is what Cancel Culture is in my thesis.

If you read the material i posted over Cancel Culture growing on University campuses, an example of which was in the area of comedy, there is a growing list of off-side jokes comedians are just not to touch on. A POC can lightly touch on POC jokes as long as they focus mostly on themselves and not others but anyone who is not a POC cannot. Etc, Etc, Etc.

They don't just define that for themselves but will try to exclude any one or any groups with a differing view being able to view or hear any thing that does not conform with their position. So if another group likes a different style of comedy and wants to host it, none of the people who do not want to hear it have to attend. They could let the others hear it and have zero interaction with hit. But Cancel Culture does not allow it. LIke the book banning in certain States they want to block others from view, reading, hearing anything they put on their 'banned' list and try to coopt all the functions of power they can to do so.

A lefty journalist getting upset and making her lefty bosses do something absolutely goes no way to proving your thesis in anyway.

Lefty gonna lefty.

No other groups effected.

Its only the problem you suggest when its effecting wider society, this is not an example of that.

As for the shifting line, that is pure carlin meme, it was a joke involving a poke at bi women and bi polar women, this could have caused lefty women journalist to react in the exact same way for decades.

We only know about it because twitter is a public medium, if the male journalist had pinned this to a wall in 1985 in lefty newspaper office, or told the joke at an office party, its perfectly possible to assume the reaction would be the same.

The only change is in the medium and the exposure publicly to the consequences.

This is such utter nano potatoes and you have to do A LOT more to establish some kind of society wide phenomenon.

Oddly enough I've had two incidents like this on two jobs and I don't work in any public capacity.

One I had to go to a lecture to make me feel bad about being a straight white male...which was fine. I actually had the humility to try and figure out what people were thinking. The incident itself wasn't in any way racist. it was just an insecure woman of color using race to win a petty status war that was going in in her head. I had to figure that out over time and it is what it is.
Still got every paycheck from that job and they were decent.

The other incident was just a half crazy trouble maker kid. Fortunately for me the supervisor was of the same background and closer to my age and just laughed it off.

It's not so bad when you lose your job and you're a well know professional at the top of your field. If I lose my job it's not great. But I'm still okay.
I know there are guys who needed that paycheck and have lost jobs to that kind of thing and they're absolutely voting for Trump. Hell, I don't know if I blame them. Long term that's terrible but the initial emotional response if pretty negative.

That being said, if you're an old white guy you still need to suck it up.
Talk to me in 50 years maybe. For now we're still good.

How much analysis and reflecting does it take to understand that if you call all women crazy or gay that it’s a sexist joke. Like you have to be intentionally trolling to not see that it’s a sexist joke.

We’re not out here saying all sexist jokes should be illegal, we just aren’t shedding tears for the famous journalist who gets suspended for endorsing that **** on his main Twitter timeline…


Cancel culture doesn’t even exist.. let alone a “massive threat”. Lol.

the venn diagram of people upset about this and the people that post "not all men" under every single men are trash twitter post is a circle.

ehhh you are in denial.

This is a clear pattern and it is escalating.

There is a creep, and not a slow creep of 'allowable thought and speech'. And the 'tactic' is to aggressive attack it, in the most public of ways to make it toxic regardless of right or wrong.

The Cancel Culture technique at play is to make people think before posting any joke and to think 3 times about any thought that 'has the chance to offend'. The Cancel Culture left understands the power they have, even on nonsense issues like this joke simply by ratcheting up the noise and the pretense of offense and citizens are learning too. People are getting ostracized in public, fined at work, and suspended/fired.

It absolutely proves my thesis and denial coming from the left and those who defend them does not change that. The denial is a big part of the problem. If the Cancel Culture left is to be pushed back, it has to be by people more in the middle and sadly, like you, most are not only complicit but the ones who provide them shade and cover and make them feel validated. Thus why we actually need the right to take more power in this battle, even if their tactics are often deplorable. There has to be some form of countering force.