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12-13-2024 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I must have missed most of that. What do you have in mind?

Latest line was 'building homes where the demand is greatest' which is barely code for 'build homes where the private developers can make most profit'. Which will come with loads of promises but will basically be houses for the better off on sold off very cheaply, very valuable real estate.
Kensington & Chelsea is being ordered to build 5,107 homes annually - even though it has only been averaging 236 in the past few years.

Richmond-upon-Thames has been generating 154 a year, but will now be obliged to hit a number that is 16 times higher, at 2,513.

Its mandating new building across lots of areas

I dont fully understand the differnece- but- lots of new houses is generically a good thing
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12-13-2024 , 09:35 AM
I hope it proves good but they have no cash to build so it's basically forcing them to agree to whatever private equity wants to do.
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12-13-2024 , 09:35 AM


Without delving deeper, in London it looks like increased targets mainly in desirable parts of Zone 1 and 2 and decreased elsewhere. Without a decent percent of affordable housing these will be luxury homes for multi millionaires. chez will no longer be the richest kid in his road.

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12-13-2024 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Classic liberal values—not left-wing progressivism, but the classic liberalism of free markets, free speech, free enterprise, freedom of religion, the presumption of innocence, trusted institutions within the rule of law, and equality under the law—all of those were missing when I was growing up as a child under military rule. And those values—that precious inheritance—are right now under grave threat here in the West.

Specifically, they have been hacked by ideologues operating on the inside.
But if we can spot their trick, we can stop them from destroying the freest societies in the history of the world.

...

That is the trick that those on the authoritarian left have pulled off. They have smuggled ideas and policies that look like liberalism but are anything but. They speak the language of the civil rights movement, but they aim to resegregate us. They preach about social justice, but they do not believe in the most basic ideas of fairness and equality. They demand our tolerance even as they seek to undermine the very culture and institutions that create that tolerance in the first place.
Take this fwiw, but we had our yearly "decolonising the curriculum" meeting a couple of weeks ago. Usually during these meetings, everyone sits on their hands nodding their heads and little is said aside from a few Zealots. However, in this particular meeting there was significant pushback on some of these ideas from several faculty members, including myself.

Anyway, I think Wokeism/Cultural Marxism is pretty much done at this point. Trump winning so emphatically was the turning point and although I'm sure a few young diehards will keep peddling this stuff, I think it's pretty much over (at least for now) as a threat to Western liberal values.
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12-13-2024 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Take this fwiw, but we had our yearly "decolonising the curriculum" meeting a couple of weeks ago. Usually during these meetings, everyone sits on their hands nodding their heads and little is said aside from a few Zealots. However, in this particular meeting there was significant pushback on some of these ideas from several faculty members, including myself.

Anyway, I think Wokeism/Cultural Marxism is pretty much done at this point. Trump winning so emphatically was the turning point and although I'm sure a few young diehards will keep peddling this stuff, I think it's pretty much over (at least for now) as a threat to Western liberal values.
It will be done when/if being a woke/cultural marxist is treated like being a neonazi with a swastika tatoo on the forehead. Complete shutdown by society everywhere, no one employs you (public sector especially), denigrated as a pariah by 90%++ of the population.

I accept the fact that we are starting to win in the sense that wokes don't militarily control all institutions anymore, but that's very far from "wokism is done". They have to be utterly and permanently destroyed.

Non race-blind people, anyone suggesting any ethnic minority should get any kind of privilege by law for example, should be booed and mistreated in any public place like someone trying to take away jewish voting right or trying to re-segregate schools by law.

They are a lethal cancer to society same as neonazis or white supremacists, we shouldn't tolerate their existence in any institution
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12-13-2024 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Take this fwiw, but we had our yearly "decolonising the curriculum" meeting a couple of weeks ago. Usually during these meetings, everyone sits on their hands nodding their heads and little is said aside from a few Zealots. However, in this particular meeting there was significant pushback on some of these ideas from several faculty members, including myself.

Anyway, I think Wokeism/Cultural Marxism is pretty much done at this point. Trump winning so emphatically was the turning point and although I'm sure a few young diehards will keep peddling this stuff, I think it's pretty much over (at least for now) as a threat to Western liberal values.
I bet they can't wait to hear your next attack on feminism and immigration for reducing your prospects in the dating market.
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12-13-2024 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I bet they can't wait to hear your next attack on feminism and immigration for reducing your prospects in the dating market.
Elrazor is a woman
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12-13-2024 , 06:41 PM
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Elrazor is a woman
I'm fairly sure Elrazor is not a woman, and even if they are my statement could still be valid.
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12-14-2024 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
It will be done when/if being a woke/cultural marxist is treated like being a neonazi with a swastika tatoo on the forehead. Complete shutdown by society everywhere, no one employs you (public sector especially), denigrated as a pariah by 90%++ of the population.
I think anyone who walks around with blue hair and announces their pronouns at the start of every conversation is going to find a degree of soft cancellation. Not that I agree with cancelling people or ideas in any free society. Even Wokeism has ideas with some merit, for example highlighting differences in policing towards ethnic minorities. It's when the needle moves to far that is becomes an issue, and there are numerous examples of where this has happened. Chris Kaba and Jordan Neely spring to mind - I think there would have been a greater chance of conviction for either of these cases in 2019 based on the cultural zeitgeist rather than the evidence.
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12-14-2024 , 03:36 AM
You sound like the older generation when I was a teenager, moaning about young people with dyed spiky hair who they cancelled by not letting their bands play gigs because they didn’t like what they had to say.

Conservatism is pathetic.
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12-14-2024 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You sound like the older generation when I was a teenager, moaning about young people with dyed spiky hair who they cancelled by not letting their bands play gigs because they didn’t like what they had to say.

Conservatism is pathetic.
If we had listened to older generation rightwing people in Italy, telling us how the leftist students in the 70s-80s in college were a direct threat to the survival of the nation as we knew it, we wouldn't have unelected radical leftist judges right now destroying the very fabric of democracy.

They were absolutely right, and decades ago like today the biggest threat we face for our quality of life, for our security, for our well being, is domestic in western countries, and it's represented by leftism. Basically all problems of society are caused by leftism being allowed to exist, to spread, to get power and to use that power against us.

It has been so many decades since rightwing abuses of power were a problem in europe. The right is non existent, even "rightwing" parties are just center left. Which of course makes them objectively less dangerous to society than actual leftist parties.
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12-14-2024 , 04:13 AM
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I think anyone who walks around with blue hair and announces their pronouns at the start of every conversation is going to find a degree of soft cancellation. Not that I agree with cancelling people or ideas in any free society. Even Wokeism has ideas with some merit, for example highlighting differences in policing towards ethnic minorities. It's when the needle moves to far that is becomes an issue, and there are numerous examples of where this has happened. Chris Kaba and Jordan Neely spring to mind - I think there would have been a greater chance of conviction for either of these cases in 2019 based on the cultural zeitgeist rather than the evidence.
It's not about the hairs and the pronouns, it's bigger than that.

As i mentioned , affirmative action. If proposed by someone with a decent aesthetics, dressed like a proper person and using normal language, it's still a lethal threat to society.

We have gender quotas in elections in some countries (including Italy). GENDER QUOTA. Party lists for european elections in Italy have to be made of 50% men 50% women. By law.

When you get 2 preferences as a voter, you have to choose a man and a woman, otherwise the vote is *null*.

It doesn't matter how you are dressed if you defend that: if you defend that you should be completly canceled from society like a nazi would. Canceling people and ideas is proper and good, it's just that the left canceled absolutely healthy and normal people and ideas, when THEY are the people and the ideas incompatible with civil society.
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12-14-2024 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You sound like the older generation when I was a teenager, moaning about young people with dyed spiky hair who they cancelled by not letting their bands play gigs because they didn’t like what they had to say.

Conservatism is pathetic.
Conservatism is as necessary as progressivism to stop runaway societal anxiety and disorder (and in the worst cases decay and disaster). Progress should be waves slowly going up the beach, slightly receding, but then coming back slightly stronger, but ultimately moving higher and higher.

Not a tsunami just because the unsilent minority demand it.
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12-14-2024 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Conservatism is as necessary as progressivism to stop runaway societal anxiety and disorder (and in the worst cases decay and disaster). Progress should be waves slowly going up the beach, slightly receding, but then coming back slightly stronger, but ultimately moving higher and higher.

Not a tsunami just because the unsilent minority demand it.
in the normal state of nature the waves don't erode the beach though. there is no "progress" in the sea vs beach metaphor, just a steady state of pendulum swinging toward a fixed mean beach size.

progressivism is waves eroding the beach and eating it all.

the "arc of history " of progressivism is an historic and moral lie.
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12-14-2024 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Conservatism is as necessary as progressivism to stop runaway societal anxiety and disorder (and in the worst cases decay and disaster). Progress should be waves slowly going up the beach, slightly receding, but then coming back slightly stronger, but ultimately moving higher and higher.

Not a tsunami just because the unsilent minority demand it.
Good analogy and I agree
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12-14-2024 , 09:00 PM
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If we had listened to older generation rightwing people in Italy, telling us how the leftist students in the 70s-80s in college were a direct threat to the survival of the nation as we knew it, we wouldn't have unelected radical leftist judges right now destroying the very fabric of democracy.

They were absolutely right, and decades ago like today the biggest threat we face for our quality of life, for our security, for our well being, is domestic in western countries, and it's represented by leftism. Basically all problems of society are caused by leftism being allowed to exist, to spread, to get power and to use that power against us.

It has been so many decades since rightwing abuses of power were a problem in europe. The right is non existent, even "rightwing" parties are just center left. Which of course makes them objectively less dangerous to society than actual leftist parties.
How many world war since the left « took » over since the 1970s-80?

On that same note, which country today in Europe u consider far left (like communist I suppose?) for endangering European or the stability of Europe ?

Ps: u considering Israel’s a leftish country ?
Is it that kind of behaviour u say it’s not endangering the region and its people ?
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12-14-2024 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Conservatism is as necessary as progressivism to stop runaway societal anxiety and disorder (and in the worst cases decay and disaster). Progress should be waves slowly going up the beach, slightly receding, but then coming back slightly stronger, but ultimately moving higher and higher.

Not a tsunami just because the unsilent minority demand it.
It's also about way it's done. The shaming approach is appallingly stupid. The lack of serious policies on the big political issues is even worse.
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12-14-2024 , 11:45 PM
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On that same note, which country today in Europe u consider far left (like communist I suppose?) for endangering European or the stability of Europe ?
China and Russia, by manipulating useful idiots on the far left and far right.
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12-14-2024 , 11:49 PM
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Badenoch is on fire and spot on identifying the lethal threat to society posed by leftism. A domestic threat for the UK, like in all western countries.

https://www.thefp.com/p/kemi-badenoc...organic-social
I didn't notice this was from an interview with Bari Weiss's Free Press, which I subscribe to. The full interview is well worth a listen.

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12-14-2024 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's also about way it's done. The shaming approach is appallingly stupid. The lack of serious policies on the big political issues is even worse.
Yes, this. Taxing farmers, pensioners and private schools has good optics for a small minority on the left, but they have raised next-to-no money doing these things and they are an easy way to haemorrhage votes to the right and Labour just don't have the mandate (by way of the popular vote) that they can afford to do this.
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12-15-2024 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Conservatism is as necessary as progressivism to stop runaway societal anxiety and disorder (and in the worst cases decay and disaster). Progress should be waves slowly going up the beach, slightly receding, but then coming back slightly stronger, but ultimately moving higher and higher.

Not a tsunami just because the unsilent minority demand it.
Or like a bicycle moving forwards despite parts of it moving in the opposite direction, whichever direction that may be.

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12-15-2024 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's also about way it's done. The shaming approach is appallingly stupid. The lack of serious policies on the big political issues is even worse.
I agree that trying to shame people who have no shame is a waste of time.
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12-15-2024 , 04:00 AM
Badenoch is a privileged privately educated snob who brazenly lies about the recent history of Nigeria in the hope that no one will correct her.

My family, one of whom is staying with us this weekend, lived through the chapter she talked about recently and her description of it was unrecognisable to them.

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12-15-2024 , 11:03 AM
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Badenoch is a privileged privately educated snob who brazenly lies about the recent history of Nigeria in the hope that no one will correct her.

My family, one of whom is staying with us this weekend, lived through the chapter she talked about recently and her description of it was unrecognisable to them.
Badenoch is a black woman who proves you can have massive success in your life being a black woman, which means every single black woman who doesn't get the same is responsible for that, not "the system".

That what makes you angry. She is the living proof to racism exists and black women if capable can achieve everything in life, which means every black woman who doesn't, doesn't because of her choices not because of any for of sexism or racism.

I understand how psychotic the living proof everything you believe is objectively false can make you, but you gotta learn to live with actual reality .

Which is if you are good at the game of life, being a black woman isnt goubg ti be a problem at all to achieve anything you desire. Not managing to get what you want is exclusively your personal lacking. You playing bad at the game of life.
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12-15-2024 , 11:39 AM
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I agree that trying to shame people who have no shame is a waste of time.
It's particularly stupid when directed at people who do feel shame.

and far worse of a waste of time. It's fantastic for the extremsits/populists
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