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11-01-2019 , 07:07 AM
I don't know. Might be a current MP or from the soon to be new MPs we've never heard of. Time will tell if we stick with it but there's no guarantees.

Ideally (for me anyway) we get JC leading a government and some of the newer intakes get some experience in cabinet posts.
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11-01-2019 , 07:27 AM
There's no one in the current PLP that stands out?
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11-01-2019 , 08:39 AM
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You can call them realists if you like but that means they want a return to new labour.

And don't forget that Labour under JC did get 40% off the vote at the GE after they all resigned and tried to get rid of him. A common view is that the blairites were disappointed 'old' labour did so well.
He lost and he lost an election at a time when the Tories put out what is possibly the worst manifesto I've seen. They were incredibly complacent. It's that simple, the party is a shambles under him. Look at the carry on with Ian Murray and the attempts to deselect the one succesful MP they have up here. In fact, I think that all attempts to deselect MP's have failed so far. Corbyn and the leadership are the ones who are out of step.
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11-01-2019 , 09:12 AM
Every single deselection attempt failed except you can argue Ellman jumped before she was pushed - although given she was being pushed for being Jewish one can argue whether that counts as a success. The M.Ps who might get deselected by the N.E.C are Vaz and Williamson - ironically the latter probably would have been kicked out but he was suspended for racism and thus not eligible. The N.E.C meets next week and given that body is teeming with racist they'll want to let their hero back in, but given this would mean at least a week of the elect campaign being dominated by Labour's rampant anti-Semitism they'll boot Williamson. Surely.
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11-01-2019 , 12:20 PM
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There's no one in the current PLP that stands out?
I watch a lot of parliament but sadly none of them have stood out much as yet. I think that's more about brexit and the lack of normal politics then it is about them but that doesn't mean they will stand when/if normal politics resumes.

The two Labour MPs who have stood out for me are not fans of JC so you can have some fun with this. One is Hilary Benn who has been outstanding but isn't exactly young and Jess Phillips who I very much hope will be a serious fixture for a long time - maybe even leader although she might have to be a bit more diplomatic:

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Abbott accused her of being "sanctimonious" and pointed out that Phillips was "not the only feminist in the PLP (Parliamentary Labour Party)." Corbyn did not intervene.[26] Owen Bennett wrote in The Huffington Post that Phillips recounted: "I roundly told her to **** off." When asked what Ms Abbott did after that suggestion, Ms Phillips replied: "She ****ed off."[27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Phillips
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11-01-2019 , 01:15 PM
I like Jess Phillips and she sure makes good copy, but if she's the future of they Labour Party they are truly ****ed.

Shame Hilary Benn has never been Labour leader, nor looks like to be so. Kinnock, Cooper, Jarvis... Labour have plenty of talent, but it's stuck on the fringes.
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11-01-2019 , 01:37 PM
Despite the boasts about their massive membership etc it appears that many SNP candidates are crowdrfunding for their campaigns and deposits




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11-01-2019 , 03:04 PM
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Despite the boasts about their massive membership etc it appears that many SNP candidates are crowdrfunding for their campaigns and deposits
The SNP likes to present itself as the only show in town, but I gather that in 2017 Labour polled 73% as many votes as the SNP did, even though they didn't get many seats out of it. Don't know what effect the Salmond case might have next year. I know squat about it, but Sturgeon seems to be caught up in it.
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11-01-2019 , 03:13 PM
We legit could have a Labour-SNP government forming at the end of the year and within weeks each party is subsumed in scandal
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11-01-2019 , 03:18 PM
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The SNP likes to present itself as the only show in town, but I gather that in 2017 Labour polled 73% as many votes as the SNP did, even though they didn't get many seats out of it. Don't know what effect the Salmond case might have next year. I know squat about it, but Sturgeon seems to be caught up in it.
I think many in England just see the number of SNP MP's and assume they are the only show in town but they got 36.9% of the vote in 2017 (35 seats) and Labour and the Conservatives got a combined 55.7% (20 seats). The voting system really works against the non seperatist parties.
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11-01-2019 , 03:25 PM
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I think many in England just see the number of SNP MP's and assume they are the only show in town but they got 36.9% of the vote in 2017 (35 seats) and Labour and the Conservatives got a combined 55.7% (20 seats). The voting system really works against the non seperatist parties.
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We will continue to call for the first past the post voting system to be replaced at Westminster with proportional representation, so that every vote and every part of the country counts.
Would be interesting to see how hard the SNP push this since it's clearly in their disadvantage (at least in the short terms). Conceivably the Lib Dems could consent to a IndyRef2 in return for the SNP forcing Labour to pass P.R.
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11-01-2019 , 03:31 PM
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2017 was Labour's most right-wing manifesto in recent history (maybe ever). Their signature policy was literally a tax cut for (certain) rich people (mostly those from rich families), their leader supports and is one of the main causes of Brexit, generally considered a right wing project, and they're being investigated and soon to be found guilty of rampant, institutional racism, also generally considered right wing (the only other British political party to do similar was the BNP).
The 2017 Labour manifesto pledged to continue with 80% of the Osborne welfare cuts, which even Iain Duncan Smith resigned over, so there's that. And, when Parliament resumed, Labour voted to endorse a Tory tax cut for the rich, so there's also that. Corbyn's private office, of course, is part run by Andrew Drummond-Murray, whose family in 2013 sold a world-famous Picasso, Child With A Dove, on loan to the National Gallery since the 1970s, to a Qatari buyer for a confidential sum probably north of £50m. The government's export ban on this piece of national heritage expired because no national collection, not the National Gallery itself, not the Courtauld, not the Tate, could afford the Drummond-Murray family's price.

Part of the gains after tax went to buy Andrew's daughter Laura, who holds a nepotistic job at Labour HQ, a five-bedroom house in Primrose Hill, where film stars like Daniel Craig and Rachel Weisz live. Some of the rest went to buy her sister a part-mortgaged similar property nearby.

Andrew Drummond-Murray, just to remind you, is a Communist, and a lifelong member of the Stalinist 'Straight Left' faction of the Communist Party of Britain up to 2016.
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11-01-2019 , 03:38 PM
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We legit could have a Labour-SNP government forming at the end of the year and within weeks each party is subsumed in scandal
Well, yes, as we're still awaiting the EHRC report that everybody (in the media) has conveniently forgotten about.
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11-01-2019 , 04:05 PM
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The SNP likes to present itself as the only show in town, but I gather that in 2017 Labour polled 73% as many votes as the SNP did, even though they didn't get many seats out of it. Don't know what effect the Salmond case might have next year. I know squat about it, but Sturgeon seems to be caught up in it.
Sturgeon is caught up in it. It's believed, in fact Salmond has confirmed, that there were discussions before all this came out. That brings up issues of what Sturgeon knew, when she knew it and what she done with that information. There's a reason the SNP wanted a general election prior to the court case. We already know that there were previous allegations about his behavior, albeit not as serious as the charges he currently faces. In 2008 management at Edinburgh airport contacted Angus Robertson about complaints from 3 female members of staff about Salmond's behaviour, he was banned from the VIP lounge for it. Who knows what will come out in all this.
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11-01-2019 , 04:09 PM
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Would be interesting to see how hard the SNP push this since it's clearly in their disadvantage (at least in the short terms). Conceivably the Lib Dems could consent to a IndyRef2 in return for the SNP forcing Labour to pass P.R.
Lin Dems won't. They're very anti-independence up here, far moreso than Labour.
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11-01-2019 , 04:13 PM
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Lin Dems won't. They're very anti-independence up here, far moreso than Labour.
You think Lib Dems will turn down IndyRef2 in return for their literal top two priorities - one of which is seen as their raison d'être, the other of which they've been craving for decades?
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11-01-2019 , 04:23 PM
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You think Lib Dems will turn down IndyRef2 in return for their literal top two priorities - one of which is seen as their raison d'être, the other of which they've been craving for decades?
Yes, it would be a bigger U-turn than their tuiton fees fiasco. It's not something I see cropping up anyway to be honest.
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11-02-2019 , 07:54 AM
Yep, confirmed that every single SNP candidate is crowdfunding for the election, including Ian '5 jobs' Blackford.



https://twitter.com/IBlackfordSNP/st...93012448301057

Some of the comments are amusing though.
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11-02-2019 , 10:41 AM
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You have to realise that on the left we only have an old guard and a new intake group because blair hollowed the party out so much with his new labour project.

Only time and hanging in there can resolve this and it's already been some time and well underway. A new guard of 'big beasts' who are modern and have some parliamentary experience will emerge fairly quickly as long as we don't give up.
I appreciate that transitional periods will always take a toll on a party. Still, if there is a principle I believe in politics, it is that leadership and central figures in political organizations is always a solid indicator of what kind of people will rise through the ranks.

But I will admit that ideologically I'm far more inclined to accept the "welfare capitalism" typical of European social-democrats in the 90s and early 2000s, than the more socialist leanings we see today. So it's not like I am a neutral observer.
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11-02-2019 , 09:42 PM
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A YouGov survey for The Sunday Times found that Labour had gained six points between Wednesday and Friday. Jeremy Corbyn’s party is now on 27%, 12 points behind the Tories, while the Liberal Democrats have slipped three points to just 16%.

The Conservatives have gained three points, in part because support for Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party has nearly halved, from 13% to 7%, since the campaign began.

A second poll, by ORB International, gave the Tories just an eight-point lead, with Labour gaining ground on…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...act-0nbttwvwd#
That's as much as I can read without signing up. A decent start ....
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11-03-2019 , 02:55 AM
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Would be interesting to see how hard the SNP push this since it's clearly in their disadvantage (at least in the short terms). Conceivably the Lib Dems could consent to a IndyRef2 in return for the SNP forcing Labour to pass P.R.
Any party pushing for PR in the current political environment needs their collective heads examining.
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11-03-2019 , 04:45 AM
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Any party pushing for PR in the current political environment needs their collective heads examining.


Why?
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11-03-2019 , 10:40 AM
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Why?
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11-03-2019 , 12:04 PM
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I fail to see anything wrong with the above.If I’m looking at it correctly, the percentage of the votes received is roughly equivalent to the percentage of seats won.
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11-03-2019 , 02:11 PM
Oh dear, my local MP(Tory) just had to stand down for groping an MP in a commons bar.
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