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04-27-2024 , 11:31 AM
The sooner the better.
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04-28-2024 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Rumours abound that Sunak may announce a GE after the expected disastrous local elections next week, to head off challenges to his leadership.
Doesn’t his leadership end either way? I guess the GE will prolong his time in the job for another few weeks.
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04-28-2024 , 01:29 PM
Despite everything that's been said here and elsewhere about the Rwanda scheme, according to the Irish PM, the Rwanda scheme is causing migrants to seek refuge in Ireland - in other words, it's working.

Harris: Ireland 'won't provide migration loophole'
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04-28-2024 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
Doesn’t his leadership end either way? I guess the GE will prolong his time in the job for another few weeks.
Less humiliating losing a GE than being deposed by his own side.

"All political careers end in failure" but not all end at the insistence of your own party.
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04-28-2024 , 01:47 PM
Elrazor in racist policies work well shocker.
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04-28-2024 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Despite everything that's been said here and elsewhere about the Rwanda scheme, according to the Irish PM, the Rwanda scheme is causing migrants to seek refuge in Ireland - in other words, it's working.

Harris: Ireland 'won't provide migration loophole'
They're being put on the streets in tents over here. Disgraceful way to treat people.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2...nts-destroyed/
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04-28-2024 , 02:23 PM
If it wasn't so disgusting it would be a farce

we could easily end up with a european court preventing ireland returning people to the uk because the uk is unsafe for them as we might send them to rwanda. These people having fled the uk to avoid being sent to rwanda which our courts have to by law accept as safe whether it is or not.
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04-28-2024 , 03:14 PM
adding unintended consequences

Uk is saying it wont accept returns from the EU via Ireland unless France accepts returns from the uk. Which will bring us back to this:

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A key condition of the Brexit deal that took the U.K. out of the EU was to maintain the land border between Ireland and Northern Ireland open, with no immigration checks.
https://www.politico.eu/article/irel...um-seekers-uk/
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04-29-2024 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
If it wasn't so disgusting it would be a farce

we could easily end up with a european court preventing ireland returning people to the uk because the uk is unsafe for them as we might send them to rwanda. These people having fled the uk to avoid being sent to rwanda which our courts have to by law accept as safe whether it is or not.
Why would that be a farce? It would result in less asylum seeking people in the UK which is the reason the law was passed to begin with.
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04-29-2024 , 04:27 AM
Humza be resignin'
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04-29-2024 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
If it wasn't so disgusting it would be a farce

we could easily end up with a european court preventing ireland returning people to the uk because the uk is unsafe for them as we might send them to rwanda. These people having fled the uk to avoid being sent to rwanda which our courts have to by law accept as safe whether it is or not.
lol EU

BTW, I think the Rwanda thing is disgusting, but this is just funny. Voltaire and Swift would laugh.
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04-29-2024 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
Humza be resignin'
Quitter, should have let the vote run, and actually cast a vote of no confidence in himself while looking the head of the Scottish tories in the eye, unblinking.
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04-29-2024 , 07:05 AM
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but this is just funny.
I could imagine someone like Cummings being devious enough to foresee how this chain of events would unfold, but no way anyone in the government was smart enough to see just how well this would play out for them.
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04-29-2024 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
I could imagine someone like Cummings being devious enough to foresee how this chain of events would unfold, but no way anyone in the government was smart enough to see just how well this would play out for them.
what's the counterproposal from opponents of the Rwanda plan, to guarantee that everyone who gets refused refugee status won't stay in the UK anyway after refusal?
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04-29-2024 , 07:42 AM
Failed asylum seeker have to leave the UK and either go home or try elsewhere. How well this is enforced is anyone's guess, However, as far as I know it is separate from the Rwanda scheme, which is for people who are granted asylum.
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04-29-2024 , 08:17 AM
Nonsense. Under the Rwanda scheme anyone applying for asylum from a "safe" country could be sent to Rwanda to have their claim processed there instead of in the UK.
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04-29-2024 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Nonsense. Under the Rwanda scheme anyone applying for asylum from a "safe" country could be sent to Rwanda to have their claim processed there instead of in the UK.
yes that's the idea. Question is what's your plan, given you oppose the scheme, for all the people the gvmnt will refuse asylum to? "self deportation" order and they stay like it happens everywhere else in europe?
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04-29-2024 , 08:52 AM
The vast majority of asylum seekers are genuine and are granted asylum.

It's obvious what should happen - the EU and UK have to agree a fair and sensible plan for taking refugees in, but as Brexit (which the Tory government is responsible for) has poisoned relations between the EU and UK so badly, it isn't going to happen until a change of government, if at all.
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04-29-2024 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
The vast majority of asylum seekers are genuine and are granted asylum.

It's obvious what should happen - the EU and UK have to agree a fair and sensible plan for taking refugees in, but as Brexit (which the Tory government is responsible for) has poisoned relations between the EU and UK so badly, it isn't going to happen until a change of government, if at all.
uh? the refusal rate is going down fast just because ukrainians are all accepted (as they should be), but ukrainians aside refusal rates have always been over 50, sometimes over 80%, in most EU countries and in the UK, every year (again Germany another exception the 2 years they let in all sirians almost automatically).

Basically outside of clear "country of origin" war, more than 50% of asylum requests are routinely refused, and sometimes, depending on the country, it has been more than 80%.
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04-29-2024 , 09:06 AM
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04-29-2024 , 09:22 AM
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Take Ukrainians aside as I wrote.

Those are automatic, because of the war.

And they aren't touched by the Rwanda thing either.

Now the rest...
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04-29-2024 , 09:23 AM
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more than 50% of asylum requests are routinely refused, and sometimes, depending on the country, it has been more than 80%.
Surprised at this, but it checks out.

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04-29-2024 , 09:24 AM
~40% of initial decision refusals are overturned on appeal.
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04-29-2024 , 12:15 PM
So with Humza having to stand down it looks like the SNP parliamentarians are hoping to go with Swinney, someone who previously held the leadership and was booted out 20 years ago. He also said last year that he was standing down from front line politics. So it looks like the Sturgeonite wing of the party are trying to get another continuity candidate in, one who is well past his sell by date. They haven't learnt a thing from Humza's failure which was in part down to him continuing with Sturgeon's failed legacy, as well as his own obvious lack of talent.
If Forbes stands against him she will yet again have most of the party machine against her but given the support she received the last time from members there's every chance she could win this time and then the real fun will start.
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04-29-2024 , 12:25 PM
My missus, who doesn't follow politics at all, said "was that the guy who asked a group of Ukrainian women refugees why there were no men?"

Some legacy he's leaving.
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