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07-14-2023 , 04:00 AM
I’m not playing these silly games you fall back on every time your arse is handed to you on a plate.

1+1=2 doesn’t require me to cite Russell.
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07-14-2023 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
The set of poorer than average people is overwhelmingly indigenous British many of whom will be in part time work or unemployed, with others in low paid job.

Immigrants don't come to the UK to do part time work, and can't claim unemployment benefit. Some will be in low paid jobs and others will be highly qualified people like many I've worked with, in IT or financial services etc. and won't fall into the set of poorer the average people.

So what you're saying isn't true. What's more, studies have shown that immigrants commit less crime than the indigenous population, not more.
Do any of the studies break it down to specific nationalisites or just look at immigrants as a whole? I reckon there would be a big differences between some nationalities in terms of crime.
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07-14-2023 , 07:16 AM
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I’m not playing these silly games you fall back on every time your arse is handed to you on a plate.
Explain how me asking for evidence is getting my arse handed to me on a plate?

Also, answer Husker's question.
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07-14-2023 , 07:21 AM
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Explain how me asking for evidence is getting my arse handed to me on a plate?

Also, answer Husker's question.
You seem to be stuck in a cycle of making false and derogatory claims about immigrants, having these refuted with study evidence, then waiting a few months and repeating the same sorry saga. Academic, my arse.

Unlike you, Husker is more than capable of doing his own research.
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07-15-2023 , 01:34 AM
You can make up stuff about me and any other topic you all you like, but that doesn't make them true.
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07-15-2023 , 07:04 AM
You're lying again.

You believe that immigration into the UK has caused a rise in crime rates. LOL
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07-15-2023 , 05:59 PM
KS announces he lied about being a socialist or left wing. He thinks the tories are correct. I paraphrase slightly

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He calls on those on the traditional left to accept that, once in power, economic growth, investment and wealth creation will be the “only show in town” if Labour is to build a prosperous country with strong public services for the long term.

“Frankly, the left has to start caring a lot more about growth, about creating wealth, attracting inward investment and kickstarting a spirit of enterprise,” he says.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-back-to-power
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07-15-2023 , 07:21 PM
I swear the 2nd paragraph could read,

"Frankly, the left just have to try and be a bit more Conservative and like it"

and I feel it's the same so your being a bit harsh on yourself with the lightly paraphrasing.
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07-16-2023 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're lying again.

You believe that immigration into the UK has caused a rise in crime rates. LOL
You don't believe me, that's fine - but there is still no need to repeatedly bully and harass me on this every few weeks.
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07-16-2023 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're lying again.

You believe that immigration into the UK has caused a rise in crime rates. LOL
U don’t believe massive immigration cannot cause any economic downturn or impoverish massive amount of the population ?
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07-16-2023 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
KS announces he lied about being a socialist or left wing. He thinks the tories are correct. I paraphrase slightly


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-back-to-power
I was kind of shocked about how non-socialist he is selling himself. I kind of hope it's a mis-sell, like Thatcher did in the late 70s, and he's at least a bit more radical than he's selling himself.

But it's not likely.


Again, environment go go burn.

It really is coming down to getting in the voting booth an picking the lesser of two 'who cares'.
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07-16-2023 , 06:07 AM
Utterly hopeless Brylcreem boy in his stripey tie. Not voting for his party and probably not for any of the others.
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07-16-2023 , 08:42 AM
Green seems the only one that makes sense, but it is a wasted vote. But at least you can do it without feeling like a mug/you're voting for the wrong people
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07-16-2023 , 08:53 AM
Its not wasted. Nor is purposefully not voting.

We need a campaign for positive voting. Where our votes have to be earned by offering something we broadly want from someone we largely trust. Doesn't have to be remotely perfect but it does have to be a lot more than 'well this shite aint as bad as the other lot'

Politcs would change so fast if a significant minorty of us did that.,
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07-16-2023 , 08:56 AM
The absolute best we could hope for is a hung parliament with the Greens having leverage over the main ruling party, whichever one it is.
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07-16-2023 , 09:03 AM
In the very short term yes and even that is staggeringly unlikely
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07-16-2023 , 11:59 AM
CPTPP signed today

Barely a news story but this is most likey a multi decade defining moment
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07-16-2023 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
CPTPP signed today

Barely a news story but this is most likey a multi decade defining moment
Have you seen the news stories about it from the Asian countries that are are involved in the deal?
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07-16-2023 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
CPTPP signed today

Barely a news story but this is most likey a multi decade defining moment
Sunday Express says CPTPP will increase GDP by £12 trillion. We're all going to be rich!

Though it does also think that immigration increases the crime rate.
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07-16-2023 , 06:59 PM
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Have you seen the news stories about it from the Asian countries that are are involved in the deal?
I was referring to the UK news. Haven't read Asian news directly but I'm well aware of Japan's involvment in making this happen.

Is it getting more 'airtime' in Asia?
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07-17-2023 , 02:46 PM
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07-18-2023 , 03:01 AM
I saw someone raise an interesting point on Starmer about an obsession with tactics resulting in him tying himself in knots and a lack mission. It looks like a fair point at this stage.
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07-18-2023 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I was referring to the UK news. Haven't read Asian news directly but I'm well aware of Japan's involvment in making this happen.

Is it getting more 'airtime' in Asia?
No there was a few articles I seen where nobody in Asian thought it was a big deal but our government has been bragging about it foolishly

Last edited by J.E.C; 07-18-2023 at 11:06 AM.
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07-18-2023 , 12:51 PM
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07-18-2023 , 01:07 PM
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No there was a few articles I seen where nobody in Asian thought it was a big deal but our government has been bragging about it foolishly
Sounds like the same sort of drivel we get from our tabloids

Japan (and Canada) worked so hard to make this happen despite the idiocy of johnson and truss because of the politics not the short term trade. The usa possibility furtehr down the line is not to be sneezed at either. Even if they dont join, usa is not going to be ignoring such a large (mostly) local block

https://www.politico.eu/article/japa...h-new-zealand/

Last edited by chezlaw; 07-18-2023 at 01:24 PM.
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