You would be happy to:
- Return to an institution that you dislike that you feel cannot be reformed and is undemocratic
- Give up sovereignty
- Not be able to do our own trade deals
- Return to “subjugation” and the EU yoke
- God knows what other stuff you went on about

All because a majority of people thought it was a good idea? You don't think they are wrong, and you wouldn't be displeased that the Brexit that you fought so hard for and think has been a success will go?

We're at the stage of brexiter's remorse where they'd be happy to rejoin so long as the terms of EU membership are explained to them like they're 5 years' old? ****ing hell.

I wasn't entirely clear, I would be happy for a referendum, not specifically happy about rejoining the EU. I have 0 brexit remorse btw, that's a term made up by remainer fantasists that they peddle to try and demonise the decision to leave ze EU.

I would be happy to have such a referendum some time, as I am a democrat, and if the decision to give up powers is made by the public, where such decisions concerning giving up sovereign powers should reside, I will abide by it.

It's when politicians start changing what is given away without public referendum I have the massive issue.

You think someone being given a clear explanation of what the deal is, is treating people like 5 year olds?

You ok, babe?

This was a big part of the problem created by politcians promising referenda on treaties/etc and then not delivering on them.


Ironically the requirment for referenda on treaty changes was passed into law by Cameron but the remain camp barely, if at all, mentioned it during the referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63503932

I'd be surprised if brady is lying

That is very shutting the field gates after the sheep have been burnt by French farmers.

Politicians do all sorts of stuff without public referendum, we have a representative democracy.

Weasel words I've heard many times.

Just because they got voted in on a temporary basis gives them no right to undermine sovereignty by deciding it's ok to permanently hand parts of it over to overseas powers without checking with the people.

Those weasel words happen to be the truth.

They haven't permanently handed them over since we just got them returned.

Just in time, imo.

For you to learn what "permanent" means?

lol someone is deliberately missing the point by nitpicking.

You're absolutely correct, enjoy.

Being correct on a fundamental point isn't nitpicking. Still, every day is a school day for you, I guess.

I never enjoy having to read your posts.

That's very magnanimous of you, seeing as how you don't have any choice.

Lol please explain the concept of 'abiding by a democratic decision' to all those remainers who are still salty over losing to democracy, cos they are a bit slow to understand this rather simple idea.

Try doubling down on stupid. It's a good look.

We can only look towards the future. There will be more fields, sheep and gates so the aim of politics should be to shut those before it's too late again.

Totally agree that we (in particular I single out blair for the brexit gate) should have closed the gates long ago.

To abide by something is to accept its terms. It doesn't mean that you can't argue against it, which is why your statement made no sense.

If you want to say you'd accept rejoining after a vote in favour of it without quibbling or arguing about it, no one will believe you. Your poster boy Farage even said he'd continue agitating for a reversal if that referendum had gone with Remain.

You have no idea what that is like.

Do you think you accepted the terms of brexit? Do you think you don't have a choice in accepting those terms?

Cos that's what you said to me, and it's clearly nonsense that I, you, or anyone, don't have a choice in accepting the terms of (ie by your own definition, 'abiding with') any referendum. You need to think a bit more in your replies maybe.

I have no choice but to accept its terms, obviously, and neither would you if the opposite result had happened, which was my point.

You valiantly claiming to be magnanimous in defeat should it happen is a joke when you have no choice.

Strangely, as it may seem to you, supporters of a party that is defeated in a general election often go on supporting that party, and urging its future success, despite its having been rejected on that occasion by the electorate according to the electoral laws obtaining at the time. There isn't, in fact, anything undemocratic about that. There is, on the other hand, a strong democratic objection in principle to referendums (an objection often voiced by, for instance, Churchill, though being Churchill he sometimes havered on the issue), since they tend to encourage an unhealthy populism and enforce what is known as 'the tyranny of the majority', the very thing that the institutions of mature democracies are designed to moderate as far as is practicable.

but you clearly haven't....

Because handing over sovereign powers without consulting the populace sounds an acceptable situation to you, does it?