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11-19-2021 , 07:45 AM

#5176

jalfrezi

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11-20-2021 , 06:18 AM

#5177

Husker

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At what point does a Conservative coup happen?

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11-20-2021 , 09:39 AM

#5178

jalfrezi

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Next year, after the grouse season, Christmas and the new year.

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11-20-2021 , 11:12 AM

#5179

chezlaw

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Lets not totally dismiss the chances of boris recovering. Plus a tiny chance he stands down

It's very unlikely a key player challanges him directly so we probably need a stalking horse. Thatchers was Sir Anthony Meyer. Boris isn't worshiped in the same way as thacher was but he has a huge majority and it would very politically risky for a serious contender to take him on until he has been wounded by someone else.

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On 23 November 1989, at a time of both Thatcher's and the Conservative Party's waning popularity and shortly after Nigel Lawson's resignation as chancellor, 69-year-old Meyer put himself forward as the pro-European stalking horse for the leadership of the Conservative Party. Meyer fully expected that one of the more prominent pro-Europeans such as Ian Gilmour or Michael Heseltine would take over the role; in the event, none of them did so, and Meyer had no illusions that he had any chance of success.[3] He was derided as "Sir Anthony Whats'isname" by the pro-Thatcher Sun newspaper, who reported that he was the only Conservative MP to oppose the use of force to win back the Falkland Islands following the Argentine invasion of 1982 and had backed a number of Labour policies, including votes against Tory-led welfare benefit cuts and immigration issues. He was also slammed by the Daily Express as "Sir Nobody".[4]

In the 1989 leadership election on 5 December, Meyer was defeated by 314 votes to 33, but when spoilt votes and abstentions were added it was discovered that 60 MPs out of 374 had failed to support Thatcher. Meyer said that "people started to think the unthinkable", and Thatcher was ousted in November 1990 to be succeeded by John Major.[5]

On 19 January 1990, Meyer was deselected as a candidate for the 1992 general election by the Clwyd North West constituency party for his "treachery", by a 2–1 majority. The deselection campaign was enlivened by a tabloid newspaper's revelation that Meyer had for 26 years had an affair with Simone Washington, a former model and blues singer.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_An...r,_3rd_Baronet
That's a fun bettingn market

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11-20-2021 , 11:22 AM

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jalfrezi

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The horror of being deselected from your cushy £82000 pa plus expenses plus subsidised mortgage, travel, food and drink part time job is probably enough to deter most potential stalking horses, which is why we haven’t seen any since then.

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11-20-2021 , 11:35 AM

#5181

chezlaw

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I'm not sure a suitable situation has arisin since then but there will be plenty of tory MPs who could be persuaded to do a favour fo sunak or someone else. Not sure they have to lose their seat but there's plenty of rewards to be gained. Plus many of them are rolling in money with the MP salary being back of the sofa money compared to the day job.

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11-22-2021 , 08:44 AM

#5182

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Nothing cushy about it. Many of the poor bastards are having to work second jobs just to survive.

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11-24-2021 , 03:11 PM

#5183

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11-30-2021 , 02:32 PM

#5184

chezlaw

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Oh well. It appears KS has completed the transition to running on a platform of managing tory policies a bit better until the tories come back.

Ho hum.

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12-01-2021 , 06:12 AM

#5185

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All the more reason for people to vote tactically in the next GE, although if there's barely a cig paper between the policies of Labour and the Lib Dems they should really form an unofficial coalition and not fight each other in Tory seats.

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12-01-2021 , 06:24 AM

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I think that electoral pacts are somewhat overstated. This popped into my twitter feed the other day which breaks down how the pacts in 2019 affected the election (not very much and the Lib Dems with the most gains): https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...89299211027423 (this should be open access, can send people if it's paywalled)

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12-01-2021 , 01:09 PM

#5187

chezlaw

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Timing is hard but Sunak must be favorite.

Can't see it being gove unless sunak decides this is a bad time to be tory leader. He is young and ambitious enough to wait for a couple of elections but does he have the guts.

I wouldn't write off Liz Trus - expect her to start sounding more and more like Thatcher. Hunt is a possibility as well. Plus the field - who knows what delights are lurking.

Not exactly the tougher of predictions but amusing to see the BBC reporting from the sun:

"THE TRUSSIAN FRONT Liz Truss channels Margaret Thatcher in a British tank as she warns Vladmir Putin against invasion plans"

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12-01-2021 , 06:22 PM

#5188

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@joejoe I think 2019 being effectively a GE on Brexit makes it a special case.

Present the choice to people of a largely indistinguishable LD or Labour MP versus a Tory MP and it's a no brainer for many now.

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12-05-2021 , 08:34 AM

#5189

Truth.

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it is being reported in the british press that cocaine has been found in the prime minister's office and all over parliament

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12-05-2021 , 06:09 PM

#5190

sixfour

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It would be more of a story if it wasn't

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12-05-2021 , 06:28 PM

#5191

chezlaw

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I think boris is in the clear though. I haven't seen him looking alert

Stoned I could believe

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12-06-2021 , 07:05 AM

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it is being reported in the british press that cocaine has been found in the prime minister's office and all over parliament

In a way it's reassuring. It's genuinely terrifying to think that some of them may not actually be coked out of their tits with the amount of clueless shite they spout.

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12-06-2021 , 08:39 AM

#5193

O.A.F.K.1.1

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The amount of social double think over cocaine is insane.

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12-06-2021 , 09:08 AM

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Politicians' use of cocaine (or any drugs) registers at about 10000000th on the list of reasons to be angry at the Tory party. Yes there's a hypocrisy angle, but adopting the drug frame as a moral panic when it suits our agenda is so predictable for 2021.

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12-06-2021 , 09:38 AM

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To be fair, if you are going to sit in the Commons for an afternoon and listen to Peter Bone or whoever droning on then it is IMO reasonable for them to use a bit of gak to help pass the time.

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12-06-2021 , 09:47 AM

#5196

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Quality of Cocaine has declined so massively over my lifetime, according to a friend.

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12-06-2021 , 09:51 AM

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To be fair, if you are going to sit in the Commons for an afternoon and listen to Peter Bone or whoever droning on then it is IMO reasonable for them to use a bit of gak to help pass the time.

See also: the heavily subsidised bars. Don't know how many people have ever subjected themselves to a Commons/Lords debate in its entirety, but it certainly makes you want to have a drink/drug.

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12-06-2021 , 09:52 AM

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Quality of Cocaine has declined so massively over my lifetime, according to a friend.

I would be interested to know if this is actually true, or if it's always been terrible but we've just developed better techniques to tell that it's ****.

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12-06-2021 , 10:22 AM

#5199

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Originally Posted by joejoe1337

I would be interested to know if this is actually true, or if it's always been terrible but we've just developed better techniques to tell that it's ****.

Techniques?

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